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Old 09-23-2019, 05:44 PM   #26
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If the NCAA is doing their job, KU will be completely destroyed. However, if the NCAA does what they always do with people like KU, they’ll let those cheaters off with a stern warning if they promise not to do it again.
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Old 09-23-2019, 06:07 PM   #27
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Lack of institutional control and Self implicated according to news coming out of Lawrence. They aren’t getting a wrist slap now.



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Old 09-23-2019, 07:04 PM   #28
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3 years ago an AAU coach in the DFW area told me that Kansas, TCU and Texas Tech were cheating and the other Big12 schools were clean. No idea what is going on today but Beard and Dixon had just taken the jobs. He said cheating happens in these situations.

1. A coach at a pressure cooker job like Kansas where if you miss the tourney, you are going to get fired.

2. A new hire that feels pressure to get things rolling quickly.

3. A coach on the hotseat that might take risks to keep a multi-million job.

4. A coach who just cheats everywhere/anytime like a Stansbury at Western Kentucky
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Old 09-23-2019, 07:46 PM   #29
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If the NCAA is doing their job, KU will be completely destroyed. However, if the NCAA does what they always do with people like KU, they’ll let those cheaters off with a stern warning if they promise not to do it again.
How do you explain Louisville and UConn? Or Kansas itself getting a postseason ban the year after winning the title under Larry Brown? The NCAA is a mess and it won't shock me if they don't have their ducks in a row, in which case KU might get away with whatever they did. But if they are interested in protecting programs like KU, why would they come after them in the first place?
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Old 09-23-2019, 08:25 PM   #30
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If this sticks and KU gets the hammer dropped on them, I wonder how that will shift the balance of power in the Big 12. I would certainly hope the reign of KU will come to a halt and other teams (OU) can step up to fill the void. Makes me even more excited to see the young talent that we have acquired this year.
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Old 09-23-2019, 08:53 PM   #31
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Lack of institutional control and Self implicated according to news coming out of Lawrence. They aren’t getting a wrist slap now.



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ESPN is reporting this too, only they’re saying Self has been chargedwith institutional control violations and KU has been notified of the Level I charges mentioned in the Yahoo Sports article.

This is looking more and more like the real deal to me!

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...l-control-more
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Old 09-23-2019, 08:59 PM   #32
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If this sticks and KU gets the hammer dropped on them, I wonder how that will shift the balance of power in the Big 12. I would certainly hope the reign of KU will come to a halt and other teams (OU) can step up to fill the void. Makes me even more excited to see the young talent that we have acquired this year.
We will not fill the void as long as our fans refuse to support basketball.
Tech/Iowa St may benefit.
More likely, the top players that would have gone to KU will just end up at Duke/UK/UNC.
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Old 09-23-2019, 09:05 PM   #33
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We will not fill the void as long as our fans refuse to support basketball.
Tech/Iowa St may benefit.
More likely, the top players that would have gone to KU will just end up at Duke/UK/UNC.
In state talents like Thompson are even more likely to come here though.
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Old 09-23-2019, 09:18 PM   #34
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ESPN is reporting this too, only they’re saying Self has been chargedwith institutional control violations and KU has been notified of the Level I charges mentioned in the Yahoo Sports article.

This is looking more and more like the real deal to me!

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...l-control-more
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Old 09-24-2019, 01:58 AM   #35
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3 years ago an AAU coach in the DFW area told me that Kansas, TCU and Texas Tech were cheating and the other Big12 schools were clean. No idea what is going on today but Beard and Dixon had just taken the jobs. He said cheating happens in these situations.

1. A coach at a pressure cooker job like Kansas where if you miss the tourney, you are going to get fired.

2. A new hire that feels pressure to get things rolling quickly.

3. A coach on the hotseat that might take risks to keep a multi-million job.

4. A coach who just cheats everywhere/anytime like a Stansbury at Western Kentucky
Well, Tech came out of nowhere and was suddenly in the final four, so cheating makes sense. Poor TCU is cheating and still isn’t very good. There have been stories of blatant Kansas cheating for decades, but no one does anything.
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The ncaa won't actually do anything to Kansas, they will punish someone else
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Old 09-24-2019, 02:01 PM   #39
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Old 09-24-2019, 02:16 PM   #40
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I remain cautiously optimistic. I haven't forgotten that the combination of Sampson's phone calls (which today would have been mostly fine) and the $3,000 loan Gallon took (and Taliaferro didn't report) got OU 3 years of pretty onerous probation.

What will a systematic buying of recruits/paying players that the coaches/assistant coaches not only knew about, but encouraged, warrant? If the NCAA wants to be anything other than a complete joke, it should mean that if KU fields a basketball team at all, it will be manned primarily by walk ons for about 4 or 5 years.
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Old 09-24-2019, 02:54 PM   #41
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I remain cautiously optimistic. I haven't forgotten that the combination of Sampson's phone calls (which today would have been mostly fine) and the $3,000 loan Gallon took (and Taliaferro didn't report) got OU 3 years of pretty onerous probation.

What will a systematic buying of recruits/paying players that the coaches/assistant coaches not only knew about, but encouraged, warrant? If the NCAA wants to be anything other than a complete joke, it should mean that if KU fields a basketball team at all, it will be manned primarily by walk ons for about 4 or 5 years.
I completely agree with your take on Sampson's phone calls, but not so much on The Brow's dealings. We were very fortunate to get off as easy as we did on that. Taliaferro looked guilty as hell. The fact that we bought players is disappointing, but the fact that we bought a team with a losing record makes it one of the darkest seasons in our history.

I used to take a pretty strong stance against hiring coaches with a unibrow regardless of any other details, but Anthony Davis has done a lot to soften my stance.
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Old 09-24-2019, 03:16 PM   #42
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I’m not cautiously optimistic anymore. I firmly believe Bill Self and KU are in deep doodoo. This is not just “word around Lawrence” bar room talk now. The national media is all over this story. It’s full steam ahead and to heck with Mr. Perfect Hall of Fame coach!

I wouldn’t want to be in Bill Self’s shoes, nor would I want to be a Jayhawk fan. Oh, they may say they’re not worried, but I’m not buying!

One more thing. Even if Self manages to use the delay tactics he’s famous for, I doubt that any high profile recruit in his right mind will want to be part of the mess that almost surely lies ahead for Self at some point.



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I completely agree with your take on Sampson's phone calls, but not so much on The Brow's dealings. We were very fortunate to get off as easy as we did on that. Taliaferro looked guilty as hell. The fact that we bought players is disappointing, but the fact that we bought a team with a losing record makes it one of the darkest seasons in our history.

I used to take a pretty strong stance against hiring coaches with a unibrow regardless of any other details, but Anthony Davis has done a lot to soften my stance.
You consider that "buying players?"
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You consider that "buying players?"
Wiring a guy $3000 and pretending you have no knowledge of it?

Hell yeah.
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Old 09-25-2019, 05:23 AM   #45
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Wiring a guy $3000 and pretending you have no knowledge of it?

Hell yeah.
he didnt' he arranged a loan from a 3rd party to gallons family to pay the remaining tuituion at his high school so he could play for and enroll at OU

that was repaid ..


that is not "buying" players
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he didnt' he arranged a loan from a 3rd party to gallons family to pay the remaining tuituion at his high school so he could play for and enroll at OU

that was repaid ..


that is not "buying" players
You actually believe that? There's no way you would if this was KU or UT.
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You actually believe that? There's no way you would if this was KU or UT.
No way $3k is buying players. It was HS tuition due. Still not cool but hardly buying players.
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No way $3k is buying players. It was HS tuition due. Still not cool but hardly buying players.
Exactly 5 star centers going rate is probably at least 10 times that amount
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No way $3k is buying players. It was HS tuition due. Still not cool but hardly buying players.
3K is what he got caught red-handed with. That's far from the only sketchy thing he was involved in. He was doing shady stuff at Arkansas as well.
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If this is as bad as it sounds how can KU keep Self around at this point? I know he had a historic run at it but this sounds like something you would probably have to fire any coach not with a K in front of their name and I'm not sure he would be safe either.
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