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Old 10-08-2019, 01:33 PM   #101
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I'm neither fat nor "derpy," and definitely not a Kansan (I do admit to being old), but I too would be offended if I took my family to what was billed as a basketball event and witnessed the "entertainment" that's been described.

If that makes me backwards and scary, so be it.
I genuinely don't know the answer, so these are just questions, but wasn't this one of those midnight events? From what I've heard, they held this event at the very end, so are we talking about a Snoop Dogg concert at 2 or 3 AM? I wouldn't take my family to that, even if it was billed as basketball-related.
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Old 10-08-2019, 02:00 PM   #102
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I genuinely don't know the answer, so these are just questions, but wasn't this one of those midnight events? From what I've heard, they held this event at the very end, so are we talking about a Snoop Dogg concert at 2 or 3 AM? I wouldn't take my family to that, even if it was billed as basketball-related.
It wasn't at midnight, it started at either 6 or 7, but you are correct in that the concert was the final event of the night. Anyone who chose to stay clearly should have known it might not be appropriate for all ages. That said, it was still questionable judgment at the least to think that particular concert was a good idea for that venue, especially given the surrounding circumstances.
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Old 10-08-2019, 02:01 PM   #103
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I genuinely don't know the answer, so these are just questions, but wasn't this one of those midnight events? From what I've heard, they held this event at the very end, so are we talking about a Snoop Dogg concert at 2 or 3 AM? I wouldn't take my family to that, even if it was billed as basketball-related.
The event was from 6:30 pm to 9:30 pm.
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Old 10-08-2019, 03:56 PM   #104
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It wasn't at midnight, it started at either 6 or 7, but you are correct in that the concert was the final event of the night. Anyone who chose to stay clearly should have known it might not be appropriate for all ages. That said, it was still questionable judgment at the least to think that particular concert was a good idea for that venue, especially given the surrounding circumstances.
That makes more sense. I usually hear these things called "Midnight Madness" often, but I wasn't sure if it was true to its name. Given the situation, it's not a great look for KU. I question anybody's judgement that thought a Snoop Dogg concert was going to be family-friendly, though. The main issue is that they're begging the NCAA to come down on them. I would never back a large dog into a corner, even if said dog was scared of its own shadow.
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:10 PM   #105
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I'm neither fat nor "derpy," and definitely not a Kansan (I do admit to being old), but I too would be offended if I took my family to what was billed as a basketball event and witnessed the "entertainment" that's been described.

If that makes me backwards and scary, so be it.
The most important thing in these people's lives is the performance on the basketball court of a bunch of black teenagers, but showcase the music and culture of those black teenage kids and it's a horror.
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:21 AM   #106
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The most important thing in these people's lives is the performance on the basketball court of a bunch of black teenagers, but showcase the music and culture of those black teenage kids and it's a horror.
Weird hill to die on (you're right we should totally allow anything/everything if its in the celebration of "culture"). also implies that black people all equally associate guns, drugs, money, B's and hoes as their "culture"
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Weird hill to die on (you're right we should totally allow anything/everything if its in the celebration of "culture"). also implies that black people all equally associate guns, drugs, money, B's and hoes as their "culture"
Agree. Also implies that all white midwestern basketball fans are horrified by "black" culture. Seems like painting both cultures with an awfully broad brush.

My sense from reading many of the stories is that most of the people who were upset were not offended or "horrified" by Snoop himself. I don't think these people are going out and protesting Snoop concerts. I think they just didn't feel like it was an appropriate venue for the show, and they blame KU, not Snoop. I suspect they would have the same feelings if it had been Motley Crew performing "Girls, Girls, Girls" with stripper poles.
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Did you see the backlash from the Penn State Alum that wrote the letter to the football player critical of his dreadlocks.

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That was terrible & James Franklin had a great response.

On those I'm always skeptical if the person who wrote it isn't from another school posing as a different fan. That may be way off base but I'm pretty sure that's happened before where they found the fan & he was actually part of a different fan base.
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That was terrible & James Franklin had a great response.



On those I'm always skeptical if the person who wrote it isn't from another school posing as a different fan. That may be way off base but I'm pretty sure that's happened before where they found the fan & he was actually part of a different fan base.


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**** Penn State. They should have been burnt to the ground.
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I just read that Penn State letter -- that can't possibly be real, can it? He might stop watching over tattoos, dreads, etc...but was able to ignore child molestation?
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That was terrible & James Franklin had a great response.

On those I'm always skeptical if the person who wrote it isn't from another school posing as a different fan. That may be way off base but I'm pretty sure that's happened before where they found the fan & he was actually part of a different fan base.
I used to live in central PA. That person def meant it.

In between Philly and Pittsburgh is Alabama
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I used to live in central PA. That person def meant it.

In between Philly and Pittsburgh is Alabama
Iím not arguing that the person didnít mean it or that itís a Penn State fan. I just said I remember an instance where thatís happened when an opposing fan posed as another.
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Iím not arguing that the person didnít mean it or that itís a Penn State fan. I just said I remember an instance where thatís happened when an opposing fan posed as another.

It was a Penn State fan, a local paper found him and interviewed him.



Also, re: blue blood vs. non blue blood. Mary Hardin Baylor just had to vacate a football national title because some of their players were borrowing an old Subaru. Yet everyone with a brain knows 5-6 figures are changing hands for every recruit going to the Dukes, Kansas, Arizona, UNC's of the world, yet none of those programs ever seem to have to vacate anything.
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It was a Penn State fan, a local paper found him and interviewed him.



Also, re: blue blood vs. non blue blood. Mary Hardin Baylor just had to vacate a football national title because some of their players were borrowing an old Subaru. Yet everyone with a brain knows 5-6 figures are changing hands for every recruit going to the Dukes, Kansas, Arizona, UNC's of the world, yet none of those programs ever seem to have to vacate anything.
Louisville. Michigan. Villanova. UCLA. Ohio State. All vacated Final Fours, including a title for Louisville.

Also, do you actually think every recruit at the schools you name involves a five or six figure transaction?? If so, why would you not conclude that the same is true for many of the high profile recruits our football team signs? After all, we have a "blue blood" football program, so we must be cheating -- isn't that how this works? There is no doubt cheating goes on, and some of it can (and has been) proven. But claiming with no evidence that EVERY player on the roster of the best 10 or however many programs was bought is irresponsible, even on a message board.
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Louisville. Michigan. Villanova. UCLA. Ohio State. All vacated Final Fours, including a title for Louisville.

Also, do you actually think every recruit at the schools you name involves a five or six figure transaction?? If so, why would you not conclude that the same is true for many of the high profile recruits our football team signs? After all, we have a "blue blood" football program, so we must be cheating -- isn't that how this works? There is no doubt cheating goes on, and some of it can (and has been) proven. But claiming with no evidence that EVERY player on the roster of the best 10 or however many programs was bought is irresponsible, even on a message board.
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Of course it's not every recruit, that was very clear and obvious hyperbole. I think it's much less prevalent in football, although it's growing with the rise of 7 on 7, whereas every big time basketball recruit is waste deep in the AAU cess pool.

Edited to add, didn't realize it was you. If I had, I wouldn't have bothered responding. Good ole contrarian Wichita.
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Of course it's not every recruit, that was very clear and obvious hyperbole. I think it's much less prevalent in football, although it's growing with the rise of 7 on 7, whereas every big time basketball recruit is waste deep in the AAU cess pool.

Edited to add, didn't realize it was you. If I had, I wouldn't have bothered responding. Good ole contrarian Wichita.
You post something patently false about blue bloods never being forced to vacate, yet I'm the contrarian. Interesting take.

I agree it's probably less common in football, but I also think there is a lot of hypocrisy out there. Tons of fans are convinced that their favorite school is clean, while maintaining that almost everyone else is cheating. My opinion on this has been consistent for years. I'd legitimately be interested in hearing your response to what I pointed out in my reply, but it seems whenever we disagree, you just claim I'm arguing solely for the sake of arguing.
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You post something patently false about blue bloods never being forced to vacate, yet I'm the contrarian. Interesting take.

I agree it's probably less common in football, but I also think there is a lot of hypocrisy out there. Tons of fans are convinced that their favorite school is clean, while maintaining that almost everyone else is cheating. My opinion on this has been consistent for years. I'd legitimately be interested in hearing your response to what I pointed out in my reply, but it seems whenever we disagree, you just claim I'm arguing solely for the sake of arguing.

About OU football? It wouldn't shock me if we were, but aside from the current freshman class, we haven't been landing the elite level recruits that are the equivalent of the guys getting money in hoops. So if we are cheating, we're not doing a very good job at it.
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It was a Penn State fan, a local paper found him and interviewed him.



Also, re: blue blood vs. non blue blood. Mary Hardin Baylor just had to vacate a football national title because some of their players were borrowing an old Subaru. Yet everyone with a brain knows 5-6 figures are changing hands for every recruit going to the Dukes, Kansas, Arizona, UNC's of the world, yet none of those programs ever seem to have to vacate anything.
I said I didnít think this was the case. Also those schools have vacated a lot, they just recover quicker. Also theyíll still get top 75 guys bc those players wouldnít normally get that kind of offer. Football cheats just as much, except itís by donors more than shoe companies.
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Why in the world do we think there is less money changing hands in NCAAF recruiting? NCAAF brings in a lot more money than NCAAB, thus far greater incentive.
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I used to live in central PA. That person def meant it.

In between Philly and Pittsburgh is Alabama
Easy killer. I still live here. It's primarily red in central PA so much less of the "r" mindset is the norm.

And if you wanna throw stones, Philthy and Pittsburgh are the two primary sources of PA's problems.
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About OU football? It wouldn't shock me if we were, but aside from the current freshman class, we haven't been landing the elite level recruits that are the equivalent of the guys getting money in hoops. So if we are cheating, we're not doing a very good job at it.
My bad for not clarifying, I meant the point I made about the NCAA forcing lots of blue bloods to vacate titles or FF appearances. It happens quite a bit. Obviously there is a legit argument as to whether that kind of sanction really matters, but it does happen to the elite programs, just like it does to the rest of the schools around the country.
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It'd be nice if BT were sufficiently swayed by the reports of KU's behavior to look elsewhere, even if the NCAA lets them off on some technicality. When there's that much smoke...

If he were my kid, I'd be suggesting he cross them off his list.
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