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Old 11-14-2020, 01:27 PM   #1
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Seniors
Austin Reaves (6-5; 200; G) ... Newark, Arkansas / Wichita State
Brady Manek (6-9; 232; F) Ö Harrah, Oklahoma
Alondes Williams (6-5; 205; G) ... Milwaukee, Wisconsin / Triton College
Kur Kuath (6-10; 220; F) Ö Salt Lake City CC / Kearns, Utah

Juniors
Umoja Gibson (6'1; 168; G) ... Waco, Texas / UNT
Elijah Harkless (6'4; 195; G) ... Rialto, California / Cal State Northridge


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Sophomores
De'Vion Harmon (6-1; 198; G) ... Denton, Texas
Victor Iwuakor (6-7; 217; C) ... Sulphur Springs, Texas
Jalen Hill (6-7; 214; F) ... Las Vegas, Nevada

RedShirt Freshmen
Anyang Garang (6-8; 180; F) ... NBA Global Academy-Australia / Uganda
Rick Issanza (7-1; 220; C) ... Scottsdale, AZ / Kinshasa, Congo

Freshmen
Trey Phipps (6'2; 170; G) ... Tulsa, Oklahoma
Josh O'Garro (6'5; 175 G) ... Canyon Country, CA/ George Town, Cayman Islands
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Old 11-14-2020, 01:30 PM   #2
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Well seeing as how the upperclassmen have 4 of our 5 starters, it’s really not hard
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Old 11-14-2020, 10:01 PM   #3
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Well seeing as how the upperclassmen have 4 of our 5 starters, itís really not hard
Would be a bloodbath.
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Old 11-15-2020, 07:27 AM   #4
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Well seeing as how the upperclassmen have 4 of our 5 starters, itís really not hard
Upperclassman may have all 5 starters. Just FYI
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Old 11-15-2020, 09:22 AM   #5
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Austin
Manek
Kur
Mo
Harmon

No?
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Kur
Mo
Harmon

No?
Very much yes, but there will likely be wholesale substitutions especially early on in the season, so we'll see a lot of faces.
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Old 11-15-2020, 11:01 AM   #7
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If Allondes can get 10 points a game as the 6th man off the bench that will be huge. Plus the development of Hill and Iwuakor will be a big factor in where OU finishes in the big 12.
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Old 11-15-2020, 01:13 PM   #8
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Upperclassman may have all 5 starters. Just FYI
Harmon wonít start?
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Harmon won’t start?
Competition isn’t a bad thing.

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Old 11-18-2020, 06:22 PM   #10
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I'm guessing the three best players are Manek, Gibson and Reaves in no specific order. If Harkless gets eligible Williams probably won't get many minutes if any. I haven't heard how he is doing this past week but Harkless was doing well prior to the Covid stuff.
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I'm guessing the three best players are Manek, Gibson and Reaves in no specific order. If Harkless gets eligible Williams probably won't get many minutes if any. I haven't heard how he is doing this past week but Harkless was doing well prior to the Covid stuff.
Harmless just looks like a smart player. Well rounded, good skill set, team player, Etc. looks like a tremendous glue guy on a good team.
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I'm guessing the three best players are Manek, Gibson and Reaves in no specific order. If Harkless gets eligible Williams probably won't get many minutes if any. I haven't heard how he is doing this past week but Harkless was doing well prior to the Covid stuff.
I wouldnít go that far. Williams can play...
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Old 11-19-2020, 06:31 AM   #13
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I'm guessing the three best players are Manek, Gibson and Reaves in no specific order. If Harkless gets eligible Williams probably won't get many minutes if any. I haven't heard how he is doing this past week but Harkless was doing well prior to the Covid stuff.
Harkless was set to redshirt for a reason.
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I'm guessing the three best players are Manek, Gibson and Reaves in no specific order. If Harkless gets eligible Williams probably won't get many minutes if any. I haven't heard how he is doing this past week but Harkless was doing well prior to the Covid stuff.
Wow! Thanks for the info.

What is Harkless' game? Can he stroke the 3 pretty well? Is he a slasher? My question is why are they just now getting around to doing his appeal? To hear Kruger talk they did Gibson's first. Why not do both at the same time? Maybe i'm missing something.
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I'm guessing the three best players are Manek, Gibson and Reaves in no specific order. If Harkless gets eligible Williams probably won't get many minutes if any. I haven't heard how he is doing this past week but Harkless was doing well prior to the Covid stuff.

Williams not playing would be kinda surprising to me because I thought he was a really nice guard who gave coach Kruger some really good minutes last season. He flashed at times and appears to have the tools to the his game up another level.
I think he averaged over 16 min per game and started about 10 games. He had several strong showings maybe vs ISU and oSu in conference play last year and I recall he really flashed vs Miss St dialing up some 3's.... He is a plus athlete, willing defender, has decent enough handles to back-up a true PG, has a decent shot, and he can really jump out of the gym with great slam dunk finishes.
He seems like too good of a shooter to shoot only 28% from the three point line and 64% from the FT line especially after shooting 50% from the field and 40% from the three point line in JUCO.
I had Williams pegged as a guy who would really improve this year and make the jump from a 6 points per game guy to up around 10...
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Teams resumes practices tomorrow
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I'm guessing the three best players are Manek, Gibson and Reaves in no specific order. If Harkless gets eligible Williams probably won't get many minutes if any. I haven't heard how he is doing this past week but Harkless was doing well prior to the Covid stuff.

Williams not playing would be kinda surprising to me because I thought he was a really nice guard who gave coach Kruger some really good minutes last season. He flashed at times and appears to have the tools to the his game up another level.
I think he averaged over 16 min per game and started about 10 games. He had several strong showings maybe vs ISU and oSu in conference play last year and I recall he really flashed vs Miss St dialing up some 3's.... He is a plus athlete, willing defender, has decent enough handles to back-up a true PG, has a decent shot, and he can really jump out of the gym with great slam dunk finishes.
He seems like too good of a shooter to shoot only 28% from the three point line and 64% from the FT line especially after shooting 50% from the field and 40% from the three point line in JUCO.
I had Williams pegged as a guy who would really improve this year and make the jump from a 6 points per game guy to up around 10...
Williams is a classic juco guy. Looks great on the highlight tape, but doesn't necessarily do the little things, especially defense, rebounding/boxing out, moving the ball, running sets, etc. that make him valuable to a winning team. His pick and roll defense and recovery defense are both well below average for a D-1 player.

I would bet $ that Jalen Hill had a far better +/- (or team impact) than Williams last year despite scoring less and shooting similar percentages.

Edit: Went back to +/- thread - He had the worst +/- on the team by far --

Harmon 100
Reaves 99
Manek 84
Hill 72
Doolittle 45
Iwuakor 38
Bieniemy 27
Kuath -1
Williams -26

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I'm guessing the three best players are Manek, Gibson and Reaves in no specific order. If Harkless gets eligible Williams probably won't get many minutes if any. I haven't heard how he is doing this past week but Harkless was doing well prior to the Covid stuff.
Long shot he gets a waiver.
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Harkless is good. Will be a standout next year.
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Where can you find +/- stats for college basketball?
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I think Williams will show some improvement this year. the potential is there
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https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb...homa/2020.html

under adv stats BPM is box score +/ -
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Thanks Boulder.
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Williams is a classic juco guy. Looks great on the highlight tape, but doesn't necessarily do the little things, especially defense, rebounding/boxing out, moving the ball, running sets, etc. that make him valuable to a winning team. His pick and roll defense and recovery defense are both well below average for a D-1 player.

I would bet $ that Jalen Hill had a far better +/- (or team impact) than Williams last year despite scoring less and shooting similar percentages.

Edit: Went back to +/- thread - He had the worst +/- on the team by far --

Harmon 100
Reaves 99
Manek 84
Hill 72
Doolittle 45
Iwuakor 38
Bieniemy 27
Kuath -1
Williams -26
Sounds like Williams BETTER step it up if he's going to earn minutes....
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Williams is a freak athlete but he doesn’t play defense and turns it over on offense. If starts to play D and protect the ball he could be a huge plus for us.
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