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Old 03-20-2017, 09:39 AM   #1
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Is the timing right for Doug Gottlieb?
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“Coaching is not just about Xs and Os,” said Gottlieb, who's been named head coach for Team USA in this summer's World Maccabiah Games. “Lots of guys can draw things up on paper. Lots of people can tell you about the history of basketball. What my skill is, I'm a communicator.

“Yes, I believe I have a high level of basketball intelligence. But there's plenty of basketball savants out there who can't communicate to kids and can't get them to execute it. And they also can't motivate kids. That's actually the best thing I do.”

Gottlieb said he and his wife long to return to Stillwater. His new job at FS1 already calls for a move, so why not leave Southern Cal for Stillwater? And the kids would fit, too, with their son a wrestler and their two daughters into equestrian.

“For me, it could be divine intervention,” he said. “We're ready.”
Not being familiar with the World Maccabiah Games, I looked it up. It is the third-largest sporting event in the world. The Maccabiah games recognizes all 28 current Olympic sports, plus many other sports such as chess, cricket and netball.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabiah_Games#Sports
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:25 AM   #2
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Is the timing right for Doug Gottlieb?
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Not being familiar with the World Maccabiah Games, I looked it up. It is the third-largest sporting event in the world. The Maccabiah games recognizes all 28 current Olympic sports, plus many other sports such as chess, cricket and netball.

More at Wiki ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabiah_Games#Sports
Looks like the stars are aligning... I listened to Guerin Emig on the Franchise this morning and his logic was that Holder cannot just go get another mid-major up and comer like Underwood... he needs to have a splash hire. His thoughts were: Doug Gottlieb meets all the criteria.
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Looks like the stars are aligning... I listened to Guerin Emig on the Franchise this morning and his logic was that Holder cannot just go get another mid-major up and comer like Underwood... he needs to have a splash hire. His thoughts were: Doug Gottlieb meets all the criteria.
i kind of agree. And a splash hire will cost more than what they wree willing to give to underwood
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:52 AM   #5
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Their is big support for DG no doubt.

Holder bungled the Underwood situation, imo.

MH is the problem at OSU. If he hires DG then he'll have an alum at every high profile position which gives him the right to underpay big time because those coaches aren't going anywhere.

That's why Gundy doesn't like him, plus Gundy doesn't have any say so on scheduling (which is why they are playing at South Alabama, why would OSU play AT South Alabama, lol)
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i kind of agree. And a splash hire will cost more than what they wree willing to give to underwood
Yes that's true. Thing is, as an OU Fan, part of me wants them to hire DG just to watch them spiral. The other part hates the idea because Big 12 is better with OSU being good, and I really do not think Doug has what it takes.

Here is a novel idea, what about Tom Crean for OSU? He could be a splash hire and might be willing to come in undervalued at first due to raking in the buyout money... What say you?
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Makes a lot more sense than some of the names poke fans think they might be getting like Gregg Marshall or Archie miller. Some believe that they can not only lure in those big names but also place a fat buy out clause in their contract. Pure delusion. Lmao!
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Looks like the stars are aligning... I listened to Guerin Emig on the Franchise this morning and his logic was that Holder cannot just go get another mid-major up and comer like Underwood... he needs to have a splash hire. His thoughts were: Doug Gottlieb meets all the criteria.
And Dougie would take a low-ball salary for a long period of time!!!
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Old 03-20-2017, 12:13 PM   #9
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I think Doug will make for a good head coach in time. The question is does OSU hire someone without even being an assistant anywhere to being the head coach in a power 5 conference? He would have to hire some VERY experienced assistants to help him run the program. There's a lot more to running a program than just coaching.
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Their is big support for DG no doubt.

Holder bungled the Underwood situation, imo.

MH is the problem at OSU. If he hires DG then he'll have an alum at every high profile position which gives him the right to underpay big time because those coaches aren't going anywhere.

That's why Gundy doesn't like him, plus Gundy doesn't have any say so on scheduling (which is why they are playing at South Alabama, why would OSU play AT South Alabama, lol)
Not to get to far off topic, but the South Alabama game is the type of game Gundy wants. Holder wants more games like the one they had with Florida State a couple of years ago. Gundy wants Cupcakes to pad his win total. He has come out and said this publicly
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If Doug really did finish in 2nd place last year, it stands to reason he may have a decent shot at the job this time around.

Certainly doesn't scare me. I think at best he'll be a solid/decent coach. Certainly wouldn't expect him to turn osu into something OU should be afraid of.
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Maybe you hire dougie and keep James Dickey on board or someone else with a lot of experience? I don't doubt that Dougie can handle the intangibles of coaching...but i'm worried about the day to day and coaching aspect of it. We saw how a players coach worked out with Capel and I imagine something similar could happen to Dougie
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I think thats a bad place for him to start. OSU should be his destination HC spot, not his start.
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Maybe you hire dougie and keep James Dickey on board or someone else with a lot of experience? I don't doubt that Dougie can handle the intangibles of coaching...but i'm worried about the day to day and coaching aspect of it. We saw how a players coach worked out with Capel and I imagine something similar could happen to Dougie
They were talking about this on franchise yesterday but O-Stank even apparently has effed-over Dickey once before and again last year (apparently a promise to give him a chance at job) after Ford left so they weren't sure of Dickey's loyalty anymore.

I really think MH/TBP would drop basketball (and most other sports) if they could get away with it!
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Missouri just saw what happens when you hire a popular alumnus who isn't qualified for the job.

If Gottlieb wants to be a head coach, he's had an interesting way of going about getting there. What makes him different than virtually everyone else who had to earn the job?
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Will he be their John Blake hire? Barry said JB was ready and I thought that was a good endorsement.
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OU should want Gottlieb to be the aggie coach. He has zero experience and there is a bunch that goes into coaching besides being smart, personable and having played basketball. I do believe he is smart and he certainly can talk.

Holder was in a horrible position with Underwood. The guy had one good year with a star player returning from the year before. Ford would have still been there had Evans and Forte not been injured. Also all of his SFA stars last year were from the previous coaching regime. You can't pay a guy 3 million a year who hasn't built a program or maintained one. He is a good guy and has coached well but maintaining a program is different than winning some games one year.
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OU should want Gottlieb to be the aggie coach. He has zero experience and there is a bunch that goes into coaching besides being smart, personable and having played basketball. I do believe he is smart and he certainly can talk.

Holder was in a horrible position with Underwood. The guy had one good year with a star player returning from the year before. Ford would have still been there had Evans and Forte not been injured. Also all of his SFA stars last year were from the previous coaching regime. You can't pay a guy 3 million a year who hasn't built a program or maintained one. He is a good guy and has coached well but maintaining a program is different than winning some games one year.
Both his dad and brother were college basketball coaches. I think his dad may have been a JUCO coach but his brother was (and maybe still is) on Cuonzo Martin's staff at Cal. So, I think while Doug has zero experience he will have resources at his disposal to help him bridge that gap. I fully expect him to hire either his dad or his brother to help.
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Holder was in a horrible position with Underwood. The guy had one good year with a star player returning from the year before. Ford would have still been there had Evans and Forte not been injured. Also all of his SFA stars last year were from the previous coaching regime. You can't pay a guy 3 million a year who hasn't built a program or maintained one. He is a good guy and has coached well but maintaining a program is different than winning some games one year.
This is some good stuff to remember. SFA came into Norman twice under Danny Kaspar (2008 and 2013) and won each game. That guy was a tremendous coach, and I'd love to know why he bailed SFA after a 26-3 season in 2013 for Texas State. Underwood inherited a loaded roster, and once all those guys moved on he too moved on for Stillwater.

The Forte and Evans injuries were definitely the dagger for Ford. The 2016 never goes off the rails in the same fashion with them. But I will say that the enthusiasm in Stillwater this year was noticeable, even after the wretched start to conference play. Underwood gets credit for turning that around.
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Both his dad and brother were college basketball coaches. I think his dad may have been a JUCO coach but his brother was (and maybe still is) on Cuonzo Martin's staff at Cal. So, I think while Doug has zero experience he will have resources at his disposal to help him bridge that gap. I fully expect him to hire either his dad or his brother to help.
Just because someone's dad and brother are pilots doesn't mean I want someone who has never flown a plane taking me to Vegas. That said, as an ou dan I love the idea of doug coaching there
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IF OSU hires Doug ,Holder is a bigger idiot then I gave him credit for .

I love it people on here think he would be a good coach .....why ? BEcause he played and gets paid to talk about it .

Guy would be a STRETCH as an assistant ,head coach ....wow OSU may never be relevant again in basketball .

I hope like hell they hire him , we will go on another 5 year sweep .

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we're not all saying we think he'll be a great coach.

I am just saying all of these things stated dont automatically mean he will be a bad coach either. He may end up being either.

I do think going to OSU first as a head coach is a bad way to start. But there have been coaches learn on the fly. You never know.
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IF OSU hires Doug ,Holder is a bigger idiot then I gave him credit for .

I love it people on here think he would be a good coach .....why ? BEcause he played and gets paid to talk about it .

Guy would be a STRETCH as an assistant ,head coach ....wow OSU may never be relevant again in basketball .

I hope like hell they hire him , we will go on another 5 year sweep .
If he hires the right assistants and let's them coach, and if he (and they) can recruit, he will do fine. Will he make OSU the top team in the Big 12? Doubtful but he can't be any worse than some other coaches we've seen in this conference.
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we're not all saying we think he'll be a great coach.

I am just saying all of these things stated dont automatically mean he will be a bad coach either. He may end up being either.

I do think going to OSU first as a head coach is a bad way to start. But there have been coaches learn on the fly. You never know.
A guy that has never even coached at the jr high Highschool level landing a top 25 to 30 D 1 job in college...what do you think the odds are he succeeds???seriously .

Sometimes the board amazes me .
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A guy that has never even coached at the jr high Highschool level landing a top 25 to 30 D 1 job in college...what do you think the odds are he succeeds???seriously .

Sometimes the board amazes me .
I'm not saying Gottlieb will or won't succeed but I'm guessing you and others said the same things about how easy it was going to be to beat Iowa St. when they hired a guy with zero coaching background named Fred Hoiberg....to your point, the odds are probably extremely low that he can/will succeed but lets not act like it's NEVER been done especially when it was done in the Big 12 before.
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