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Old 03-18-2017, 04:16 PM   #1
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Old 03-18-2017, 04:26 PM   #2
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Travis Ford!
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Old 03-18-2017, 04:28 PM   #3
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I thought Eddie Sutton retired.
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:41 AM   #4
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Travis Ford!
They hate it when you mention it but Travis Ford is the 3rd best coach in the program's history. Let that sink in for a moment.
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They hate it when you mention it but Travis Ford is the 3rd best coach in the program's history. Let that sink in for a moment.
Yep, they've had two good coaches in their history (and one of those two, Mr. Iba, saw a huge falloff in his final decade at the helm), which further belies the Oklahoma media's treatment of them as some kind of traditional basketball power.
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Yep, they've had two good coaches in their history (and one of those two, Mr. Iba, saw a huge falloff in his final decade at the helm), which further belies the Oklahoma media's treatment of them as some kind of traditional basketball power.
And they other one they only got because he is a known cheater (Got Kentucky in Trouble) and no one else would touch him
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as we get further and further away from Mr. Iba people who dont remember his influence fail to see OSU's total basketball tradition.

He meant every bit as much to college basketball as Bud meant to college football.
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as we get further and further away from Mr. Iba people who dont remember his influence fail to see OSU's total basketball tradition.

He meant every bit as much to college basketball as Bud meant to college football.
Fine. But they've had only good coach since then (and as described above, he was tainted) and none before Iba. Would OU still be touted as a traditional football power if they'd had only Wilkinson and Stoops in their entire history?

OU's had four great football coaches and if you throw in Fairbanks, they've had five. oswho's had two great basketball coaches. OU's had twice that many.
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Fine. But they've had only good coach since then (and as described above, he was tainted) and none before Iba. Would OU still be touted as a traditional football power if they'd had only Wilkinson and Stoops in their entire history?

OU's had four great football coaches and if you throw in Fairbanks, they've had five. oswho's had two great basketball coaches. OU's had twice that many.
Who is the OTHER great coach???

I think Sutton was very good but I'm not sure I'd use the word great to describe him.
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O-State has had two great coaching stints. One is without equal, and the other came on board only after a disastrous NCAA investigation/forced sabbatical/fall from grace. Lucking into Sutton was the best thing that ever happened to O-State hoops. Looking back on it, it's really quite remarkable all the variables that were in play.
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Who is the OTHER great coach???

I think Sutton was very good but I'm not sure I'd use the word great to describe him.
Sutton, his issues aside, was as good as the OU coaches I'm calling great.
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Sutton, his issues aside, was as good as the OU coaches I'm calling great.
We'll agree to disagree.

While I might agree with Bennie and Chuck, I don't agree with comparisons to Bud, Barry and Bob.
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We'll agree to disagree.

While I might agree with Bennie and Chuck, I don't agree with comparisons to Bud, Barry and Bob.
I was referring to OU's four great basketball coaches!
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I was referring to OU's four great basketball coaches!
DOH! Sorry!

Then I totally agree! Almost always agree with you, Sky!
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DOH! Sorry!

Then I totally agree! Almost always agree with you, Sky!
You're a wise man!

I wasn't clear in expressing myself, sorry.
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Sutton and Coach Iba were most certainly great coaches. I would say that Iba is a legend actually.

While I think Bruce Drake deserves more credit than we give him ... OSU certainly wins in the legendary coach department. I'd put Billy Tubbs a step or two below him at about the same spot as Sutton.
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So oswho has one legendary coach (you keep changing the standards/terminology, but whatever) and one good/great one -- and most all of their other coaches were not even decent.

OU has had four good/great coaches. I'll take that every time.

And legend or not, Iba went to just two NCAA tourneys in his final 16 seasons and his final five seasons were disastrous, with the aggies finishing 7th (four times) and 6th in the Big 8. Iba had 20 great seasons, but mostly struggled his final 16.

It may be that Bud would have continued to struggle, too, had he remained at OU, but it's not a sure thing: He had two bad seasons in 1960-61, but bounced back to win the conference in '62 and finish second in '63.
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I won't argue against Iba as a legend, but the NCAA tournament at that time was not on par with the NIT. It's also far more difficult to win the NCAA tourney now. And imo, Sutton hasn't accomplished anymore than Billy, Kelvin or Lon.
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I am not saying Iba is a legend because of his tournament results. He is a legend because of his contributions to the game.

Heck, Naismith invented the game and he had a losing record for his career. Does his record mean HE isn't a legend?
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Who is the OTHER great coach???

I think Sutton was very good but I'm not sure I'd use the word great to describe him.
Just FWIW, but Eddie actually had the better winning %. IMO, if you use it on one (& I certainly do), then the other deserves it as well.
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Just FWIW, but Eddie actually had the better winning %. IMO, if you use it on one (& I certainly do), then the other deserves it as well.
Sutton is a great coach. One would have to be blind not to see that. That '78 Arkansas team was awesome.
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O-State has had two great coaching stints. One is without equal, and the other came on board only after a disastrous NCAA investigation/forced sabbatical/fall from grace. Lucking into Sutton was the best thing that ever happened to O-State hoops. Looking back on it, it's really quite remarkable all the variables that were in play.
Yep, if only Eddie had used FedEx instead of Emery Air Freight osu might have had only one golden era of basketball.
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And imo, Sutton hasn't accomplished anymore than Billy, Kelvin or Lon.
And that opinion would obviously be biased. Eddie Sutton not only won 800+ games, but his teams have been to the Sweet 16 (or beyond) 12 times. Billy (5), Kelvin (3) and Lon (5) COMBINED have only been there 13 times. I'm at a loss as to how each of them favorably compares. I understand OSU is a rivalry, but that doesn't mean we're not allowed a little objectivity.
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I understand OSU is a rivalry, but that doesn't mean we're not allowed a little objectivity.
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I am not saying Iba is a legend because of his tournament results. He is a legend because of his contributions to the game.

Heck, Naismith invented the game and he had a losing record for his career. Does his record mean HE isn't a legend?
FWIW, I don't consider Naismith a legend in coaching. He's only a legend for inventing the game. His coaching ability was non existent. So if we're talking coaching, Naismith isn't a legend. If we are just talking generalities, Naismith is a legend.
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