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Old 12-18-2016, 06:24 PM   #26
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I don't think he paid nearly the price he should have though, but it is what it is. It's horrible for OU, I know that.
Legally speaking you don't think he paid the price, or you don't think his punishment from OU was enough?

Legally he was punished in accordance with the law. And the chick probably had a say in that as well. And 2 of her 3 civil claims have already been tossed. Right or wrong as Joe was, you don't put your hands on somebody first. To suggest she had zero fault in this is just down right stupid and ignorant.

From OU's perspective, the only thing they could have done was kick him out of school. So he than transfers back west, ends up at UCLA or some such school, stays with the team and practices while he redshirts, plays the last two years just like he did here, and is most likely going to the NFL this year. Please tell me how that would have "punished" Joe more than what OU actually did? The kid had just turned 18, was called a slur, shoved, slapped, spat on, and had his personal space invaded by some clown with a criminal (legal) history already longer than most, and he reacted poorly. What nobody ever talks about is his reaction to the coaches, Bob in particular, and the police after that. I'm guessing he reacted appropriately, lived up to his mistake, and that plays a factor, even if it isn't in the public eye.

As for this hurting OU.....LMAO. It'll be gone and forgotten about, for the most part, within the next month or so. Christmas, a new president, college basketball kicking into full gear, the Super Bowl.....this won't be news worry very soon.
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The kid had just turned 18, chose to call out (or was hanging out with someone who did) homophobic epithets at strangers in a public place, was called a slur, shoved, slapped, spat on, and had his personal space invaded by some clown with a criminal (legal) history already longer than most, and he reacted poorly.
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The first slurs -- homophobic ones -- came from Joe's party, according to witnesses' accounts. NONE of the evening's events would have occurred without that happening. Why it's so hard for OU fans to include that very salient detail boggles my mind (actually, it doesn't, but it's difficult for me to accept the only conclusion I can come to based on this nearly universal tendency among our fan base).

And if you want to come off as fair-minded and evenhanded in describing a situation, maybe "chick" is not the best choice in terms.
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The issue seems pretty straightforward to me. He is a tremendous football player, so he was allowed the opportunity to continue his career here at Oklahoma. If his name had been Donta Hickson instead of Joe Mixon he probably gets the boot.

The Russell Athletic Bowl pays out 5.6 million dollars (I assume that's 2.8 million per school). The Sugar Bowl comes out of the CFB Playoff revenue pool, and I assume OU will come away with a lot more than 2.8 million dollars. That's why they kept Joe Mixon around.
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If me and my wife are at Starbucks, and I cut in front of her in line and she gets mad and pushes me, and I turn around and knock her unconscious, I am quite sure I leave in handcuffs.

And, on top of that, if I did so while attending a work function (representing my employer) I would lose my job instantly.

Jail, lost job, period.
joe did get arrested


And he did get kicked off the team
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Lots of victim blaming here. I guess that's to be expected somewhat; it would probably be true on any team's fans site. While she shouldn't have pushed or slapped him, he was absolutely 100% wrong and should have walked away. His attack was brutal and violent and went far beyond the little slap he received. Any suggestion that Mixon was "defending himself" (yes, I've read that), or that his assault was justified or even mitigated by her hysterics is sickening. His attack was not in self-defense. It was revenge. He was angry and he responded brutally and his actions are 100% indefensible. Blaming her distracts from that.
he was walking away....and she grabbed him, pushed him, and slapped him all before he punched her.

He shouldn't have punched her. But it was an instinct. It's not like he even wound up either. It was a quick jab and the table did most of the damage
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Well said, SkyVue...

It's horrible for OU, I know that.
not it isn't. It will blow over in a couple weeks and the social mob will be crying about some other injustice.
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Fantastic article from Sports Illustrated... I particularly like the jabs she makes by scratching through the words of his "punishment"...

http://www.si.com/college-football/2...-video-assault
why do you put punishment in quotes? He was punished by being kicked off the team for a year
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FIFY

The first slurs -- homophobic ones -- came from Joe's party, according to witnesses' accounts. NONE of the evening's events would have occurred without that happening. Why it's so hard for OU fans to include that very salient detail boggles my mind (actually, it doesn't, but it's difficult for me to accept the only conclusion I can come to based on this nearly universal tendency among our fan base).

And if you want to come off as fair-minded and evenhanded in describing a situation, maybe "chick" is not the best choice in terms.
you don't know this. It is all heresay.

And it isn't OK to say chick but thug is fine right?
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The issue seems pretty straightforward to me. He is a tremendous football player, so he was allowed the opportunity to continue his career here at Oklahoma. If his name had been Donta Hickson instead of Joe Mixon he probably gets the boot.

The Russell Athletic Bowl pays out 5.6 million dollars (I assume that's 2.8 million per school). The Sugar Bowl comes out of the CFB Playoff revenue pool, and I assume OU will come away with a lot more than 2.8 million dollars. That's why they kept Joe Mixon around.
Nope. Stoops doesn't care about quality of player. He cares about quality of person.

That is why he kicked off Bomar a couple weeks before the opener....and bomar was a higher rated recruit than mixon if i recall correctly.

And you will notice that most players that bob kicks off get in trouble again. The ones he gives second chances to, don't get in trouble again.

There is a hell of a lot more to it than qauality of player. I'm guessing there are a lot of players on the team that have been in trouble that we have not heard about that are still on the team
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FIFY

The first slurs -- homophobic ones -- came from Joe's party, according to witnesses' accounts. NONE of the evening's events would have occurred without that happening. Why it's so hard for OU fans to include that very salient detail boggles my mind (actually, it doesn't, but it's difficult for me to accept the only conclusion I can come to based on this nearly universal tendency among our fan base).

And if you want to come off as fair-minded and evenhanded in describing a situation, maybe "chick" is not the best choice in terms.
lol, keep trying to fight what you consider the "good fight". Good grief.

What I wanted to call her was way worse than "chick". So I'm okay with using that word. A word that, at least in my mind, isn't negative in connotation.
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It's not like he even wound up either. It was a quick jab and the table did most of the damage
Exactly. That was the only part of the tape that IMO was different than the story we were told. I thought he wound up, stepped into it, and delivered a real hay maker of a punch. That didn't happen. As you said, that punch wasn't much of anything, actually.
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Nope. Stoops doesn't care about quality of player. He cares about quality of person.

That is why he kicked off Bomar a couple weeks before the opener....and bomar was a higher rated recruit than mixon if i recall correctly.

And you will notice that most players that bob kicks off get in trouble again. The ones he gives second chances to, don't get in trouble again.

There is a hell of a lot more to it than qauality of player. I'm guessing there are a lot of players on the team that have been in trouble that we have not heard about that are still on the team
YES!

Bob has booted plenty of talented players. A couple of receivers if my memory serves me correctly, one that didn't even make it to campus. And you mentioned Bomar.

I guarantee you what saved Mixon's spot at the University of Oklahoma was his reaction to this to Bob (and probably the other coaches, maybe even Joe C). I believe he was truly sorry and upset about how it all played out. To me, that matters. That isn't the same as somebody who commits a similar act, and simply doesn't give a f*** afterwards.
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you don't know this. It is all heresay.

And it isn't OK to say chick but thug is fine right?
We don't know she used the N word, either, but you cited that in Joe's defense.
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lol, keep trying to fight what you consider the "good fight". Good grief.
You're damn straight I consider it the good fight -- hate speech is hate speech. The N word is a horrible, hateful, harmful word, but it's not the only one. The claim by witnesses that she used the N word is endlessly cited by OU fans because it benefits Mixon's cause, while the claim by witnesses that Joe and/or his friends started the whole thing by making homophobic comments hurts his cause, so it is consistently left out of accounts of that evening's events. As long as it's left out, I'll keep bringing it up. It matters.

Do you honestly think a woman and her gay friends are going to seek out trouble with some random guys, at least one of whom was huge (by normal person standards), for no reason at all, with no justification? She was drunk, yes, but do you really think she walked in the place and thought, I think I'll stir up trouble with that huge guy over there?

Something started the whole mess, but we don't see that part of the encounter in the tape that was released nor is there any audio. So the only way we "know" that she uttered the N word is witness accounts. That's also how we "know" that Joe's group started it with homophobic crap. You readily accept one of those as a fact but offer an LOL at the other one. I'll leave you to figure out for yourself why that is.
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We don't know she used the N word, either, but you cited that in Joe's defense.
nope.

And if I were to use that as an excuse I would have caveat it with saying IF she used it
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You're damn straight I consider it the good fight -- hate speech is hate speech. The N word is a horrible, hateful, harmful word, but it's not the only one. The claim by witnesses that she used the N word is endlessly cited by OU fans because it benefits Mixon's cause, while the claim by witnesses that Joe and/or his friends started the whole thing by making homophobic comments hurts his cause, so it is consistently left out of accounts of that evening's events. As long as it's left out, I'll keep bringing it up. It matters.

Do you honestly think a woman and her gay friends are going to seek out trouble with some random guys, at least one of whom was huge (by normal person standards), for no reason at all, with no justification? She was drunk, yes, but do you really think she walked in the place and thought, I think I'll stir up trouble with that huge guy over there?

Something started the whole mess, but we don't see that part of the encounter in the tape that was released nor is there any audio. So the only way we "know" that she uttered the N word is witness accounts. That's also how we "know" that Joe's group started it with homophobic crap. You readily accept one of those as a fact but offer an LOL at the other one. I'll leave you to figure out for yourself why that is.
actually pretty much everybody agrees that Mixon or somebody he was with could have used that word. and there is no way of knowing which term was used first

And yes, there are plenty of people that start fights just to start fights...regardless of how logical it is
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and i only LOL at people that think the girl had no part in what happened
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nope.

And if I were to use that as an excuse I would have caveat it with saying IF she used it
My mistake -- it was someone else who did so.
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A few things:

FIRST! I'm not washing my hands of OU because of this thing. It's unfortunate, and I think we could've handled it better. But this will all be a memory in a couple of weeks.

2. He had to give Bomar the boot. The powers that be had a massive case against him. He was caught red-handed.

3. I think Bob factors in the quality of player before person. We're just going to disagree on that. These are million dollar decisions here, and I'm not surprised he'd stick his neck out for a star. Coupled with the Green-Beckham thing going on at the same time, I'd say 2014 was a tough year PR-wise for Stoops and the Sooners.

4. I was hoping the gal in question had done a whole lot more physically before Mixon gave her the business. I was hoping for spitting, pushing, shoving, clawing......certainly more than what she got.

5. The thing that troubled me the most was how coolly he waltzed out of Pickleman's with that gal on the ground in a heap.

6. I hope he runs all over All-Barn.
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A few things:

FIRST! I'm not washing my hands of OU because of this thing. It's unfortunate, and I think we could've handled it better. But this will all be a memory in a couple of weeks.

2. He had to give Bomar the boot. The powers that be had a massive case against him. He was caught red-handed.

3. I think Bob factors in the quality of player before person. We're just going to disagree on that. These are million dollar decisions here, and I'm not surprised he'd stick his neck out for a star. Coupled with the Green-Beckham thing going on at the same time, I'd say 2014 was a tough year PR-wise for Stoops and the Sooners.

4. I was hoping the gal in question had done a whole lot more physically before Mixon gave her the business. I was hoping for spitting, pushing, shoving, clawing......certainly more than what she got.

5. The thing that troubled me the most was how coolly he waltzed out of Pickleman's with that gal on the ground in a heap.

6. I hope he runs all over All-Barn.
well you can't tell from the video if she spit on him. But you can see that she pushed/shoved and slapped him and grabbed his neck. So....

And knowing the kind of person that Bob is and other things he does without media attention, I'm pretty confident he looks at the person. And then add in how all Boren cares about is image, and I think it is safe to say that a lot more thought than just how good of a football player is he came into play
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actually pretty much everybody agrees that Mixon or somebody he was with could have used that word. and there is no way of knowing which term was used first

And yes, there are plenty of people that start fights just to start fights...regardless of how logical it is
I've seen almost no one "agree" with that -- the witness accounts were mentioned when the whole thing first happened, but they have been erased from the unofficial public record in every online account of it I've seen since those earliest days; it is virtually NEVER mentioned in discussions about the incident unless I bring it up (not tooting my own horn here, but I won't keep quiet about this). Revisionist history is harmful, and that's what we have when all the focus is on her alleged use of a hateful word and his (or his friends') alleged usage of an equally hateful word is never mentioned.

And the next time I see a woman and a couple of physically unimposing gay guys go into a restaurant looking to start something with (at least one) big guy they don't know from Adam will be the first time. The gay guys I know (and I know many) are just looking to be left alone -- they are FAR more likely to be harassed than to do any harassing.
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5. The thing that troubled me the most was how coolly he waltzed out of Pickleman's with that gal on the ground in a heap.
I agree with this. If Joe were my son, I'd be especially disappointed about this aspect of the incident. It's one thing to lose one's temper and throw a punch, but it's quite another to see the damage you've done and hightail it out of there, with her lying on the ground unconscious and, I'm guessing, bleeding.
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And the next time I see a woman and a couple of physically unimposing gay guys go into a restaurant looking to start something with (at least one) big guy they don't know from Adam will be the first time. The gay guys I know (and I know many) are just looking to be left alone -- they are FAR more likely to be harassed than to do any harassing.
I challenge you to go into any college bar or dance hall after midnight and see how the women and gay guys act after a few drinks.
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I challenge you to go into any college bar or dance hall after midnight and see how the women and gay guys act after a few drinks.
This. I've seen plenty of both get drunk and act "completely out of character." It happens. Frequently.
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it is virtually NEVER mentioned in discussions about the incident
You know why? Because from all accounts, it wasn't Joe that said it. And if Joe didn't say it, and this "altercation" was between Joe and this girl, than at the end of the day it doesn't really matter.

The girl doesn't get to call Joe the n-word, get his him face, shove him, spit on him, and slap him, b/c somebody that was "with Joe" called somebody that was "with her" a slur. That isn't how it works.
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