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Old 08-12-2019, 02:11 PM   #26
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Landry was good. Very good. In fact, I'd agree with you if you said that Landry was painfully underrated. I'm usually at the head of his fan club.

But you can't, in any way, claim that he had a better career than Baker Mayfield. You can't really make an argument about him having a better career than Sam or JW, either. You could make a case against Kyler, but I'm not sure I'd even accept that.
Nor did I ever imply that Landry was the best to ever sling it. Further I agreed that Landry was not the best. I did state that perhaps he could sling it better than you give him credit. Furthermore their is more to being a QB than just slinging it. It was the mental decisions that were Landry's primary shortcomings not how well he threw the ball.
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Old 08-12-2019, 02:41 PM   #27
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By the numbers, I think Griffin will end up the best. But, I wonder if he will ever equal Alvan in one category which is kind of important? Alvan made his team a lot better. The puzzle was better than the pieces. I have yet to see Blake do that.

I won't argue who is the best passer, yet. For me, the best QB was Jimmy Harris: never lost a game, won two national titles. I don't think he could hit the side of a barn from inside. Second, Steve Davis. Better programs, better players around them? Won't argue that. The idea is to win, to do the best with what you have.
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Old 08-13-2019, 09:13 AM   #28
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Outside of Bradford, wasn't Landry on an NFL roster longer than any other OU QB at that position?
Can't count Bobby Boyd who played DB in the NFL and was an OU QB.
"Indian" Jack Jacobs may have put in more years than Sam if you combine
NFL and CFL.

What would an all Sooner NBA team be:
Griffin, Adams, Tisdale, Blaylock and ?
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Old 08-13-2019, 11:47 AM   #29
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Outside of Bradford, wasn't Landry on an NFL roster longer than any other OU QB at that position?
Can't count Bobby Boyd who played DB in the NFL and was an OU QB.
"Indian" Jack Jacobs may have put in more years than Sam if you combine
NFL and CFL.

What would an all Sooner NBA team be:
Griffin, Adams, Tisdale, Blaylock and ?
Right now, Buddy. In time, we might add another young PG.
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Old 08-13-2019, 12:01 PM   #30
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Outside of Bradford, wasn't Landry on an NFL roster longer than any other OU QB at that position?
Can't count Bobby Boyd who played DB in the NFL and was an OU QB.
"Indian" Jack Jacobs may have put in more years than Sam if you combine
NFL and CFL.

What would an all Sooner NBA team be:
Griffin, Adams, Tisdale, Blaylock and ?
Stacy King?
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Old 08-13-2019, 12:49 PM   #31
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https://www.basketball-reference.com...najered01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com...heardga01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com...r/raycl01.html

Clifford was key to a Golden State championship with Rick Barry. Ray worked the boards and played defense.

Heard almost got Phoenix a title.

Najera was used to contain Shaq.
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Old 08-13-2019, 02:17 PM   #32
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Outside of Bradford, wasn't Landry on an NFL roster longer than any other OU QB at that position?
Can't count Bobby Boyd who played DB in the NFL and was an OU QB.
"Indian" Jack Jacobs may have put in more years than Sam if you combine
NFL and CFL.

What would an all Sooner NBA team be:
Griffin, Adams, Tisdale, Blaylock and ?
Grant.
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Old 08-13-2019, 03:28 PM   #33
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By the numbers, I think Griffin will end up the best. But, I wonder if he will ever equal Alvan in one category which is kind of important? Alvan made his team a lot better. The puzzle was better than the pieces. I have yet to see Blake do that.
I don't understand this logic at all. Blake doesn't have any rings, but he put the Clippers on the map. That was the most successful run in franchise history before they stabbed him in the back.
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Old 08-13-2019, 05:09 PM   #34
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I don't understand this logic at all. Blake doesn't have any rings, but he put the Clippers on the map. That was the most successful run in franchise history before they stabbed him in the back.
So, they made it to the finals?



Semi-finals?


Won their division?
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Old 08-14-2019, 01:41 AM   #35
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So, they made it to the finals?



Semi-finals?


Won their division?
Pretty weak argument when you're comparing one ringless player to another. The Suns won a lot more games immediately after he retired, and continued to for about a decade.

You can certainly make the point that championships count for a lot more than regular season wins, but again...two ringless players. We aren't comparing Blake to Kobe Bryant or Tim Duncan.
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