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Old 03-12-2018, 07:32 AM   #1
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Default OSU, USC, and St. Marys got screwed.

The new quadrant system, and all the things that are "no longer selection criteria" such as how you are playing lately, where you finished in your conference, etc are total disasters and I expect them to be fixed.

St. Marys
St. Marys was 28-5... and were ranked #20 in the country last week. How does a top 25 team who won 28 games not make the NCAA tournament? SOS, RPI, bla bla whatever. This team has been in the top 25 for the last part of the year and didn't make it against teams who finished at the bottom of their own leagues.

USC
They were 23-11 and finished 2nd in the Pac 10. I agree with their coach completely. They won 11 games away from home, had an RPI of 23, and a SOS of 37. What in the hell happened here?

"If all that matters is the quality of your best win or two on your schedule, then we shouldn't even play and just set the field in December after the out-of-conference was complete," he said. "It basically discredited our entire league schedule, and no matter what we or some of the other teams in our league did during the Pac-12 or the conference tournament did not obviously matter."

Oklahoma State
It seems bizarre to me that a team gets judged so heavily by crap teams on their schedule.. They won those games. They beat Kansas twice, beat Oklahoma twice, beat Texas Tech, beat West Virginia... Again, just like the USC coach said, might as well just set the bracket at Xmas because apparently nothing else matters. Winning that Texas game they lost by 1 or that Arkansas game they lost by 1 would have done it, probably, but they should be in regardless.
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Old 03-12-2018, 07:33 AM   #2
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If it was any team other than osu I would think it was unfair. If the shoe was on the other foot, they would be having parties....not for them being in, but for OU being out...
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Old 03-12-2018, 07:37 AM   #3
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Default Re: OSU, USC, and St. Marys got screwed.

Never understood the concept of a team getting screwed. There are 68 teams in the thing. You can find a criteria to put just about anyone in.

A group is given the task of deciding who gets in. They do it.

Pretty much means that is who deserved it.
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Old 03-12-2018, 07:45 AM   #4
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Default Re: OSU, USC, and St. Marys got screwed.

As long as the criteria are applied fairly to all schools, no one has a legitimate complaint.
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Old 03-12-2018, 07:45 AM   #5
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How you finished the season was taken out as a criteria a number of years ago. The reason being is that it takes the entire season into account and makes teams schedule tougher OOC.

As for Okie State, no team in the history of the NCAA tourney has received an at large bid with a RPI in the 80s. Their RPI was actually 88 so that would have set a huge precedence.

The other two teams have a gripe but the lack of high quality wins bit them in the rear.

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Old 03-12-2018, 07:59 AM   #6
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Yep all head scratchers
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OK state + Louisville + USC= FBI
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Old 03-12-2018, 08:16 AM   #8
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OK state + Louisville + USC= FBI
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Old 03-12-2018, 08:35 AM   #9
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Default OSU, USC, and St. Marys got screwed.

I don’t think anyone got screwed. Everyone knows the evaluation criteria being used. However, the evaluation criteria is a problem IMO. You should want to reward SoS but you should also want teams playing better now than in 2017. I don’t think the ratings do enough for that.

I see it as the same way the US used to form the Ryder Cup team in golf. Everything counted the same over a 2-year period and you wound up with too many players who were playing poorly at the time of the cup. The US finally got smart and weighted more recent play in favor of past play.


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Obviously, Zona couldn't be kept out.
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As long as the criteria are applied fairly to all schools, no one has a legitimate complaint.
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They were 23-11 and finished 2nd in the Pac 10. I agree with their coach completely. They won 11 games away from home, had an RPI of 23, and a SOS of 37. What in the hell happened here?
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The only one with a legit gripe is USC. Finishing 2nd in a major power conf and having teams in the back end of the standings make it in over them was very unfair even with the weight of the non conf schedule.
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They were 23-11 and finished 2nd in the Pac 10. I agree with their coach completely. They won 11 games away from home, had an RPI of 23, and a SOS of 37. What in the hell happened here?
Lacked top 25/50 RPI wins, but they likely should have been in over Cuse.
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Lacked top 25/50 RPI wins, but they likely should have been in over Cuse.
Or ASU. or Missouri
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owsho was .500 over its last 10 games and 6-8 over its last 14. As surges go, that's underwhelming, even if the committee did consider the last 10 games as a factor.

oswho usually relies on a weak non-conference schedule to improve their record in football, too. I feel no sympathy for them.
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Obviously, Zona couldn't be kept out.
But they were very under seeded. As was Michigan St.

Now that’s a conspiracy that should have some legs yet the mouth breathing talking heads are wasting time on “the committee couldn’t keep OU out cause of Trae Young” which makes 0 sense based on the factors they actually used to pick teams.
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USC was at 34 in RPI but that is still the highest to ever be left out. I guess just not enough quality wins in the minds on the committee.

Funny, if they had beaten us they would probably be in.


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But they were very under seeded. As was Michigan St.

Now that’s a conspiracy that should have some legs yet the mouth breathing talking heads are wasting time on “the committee couldn’t keep OU out cause of Trae Young” which makes 0 sense based on the factors they actually used to pick teams.
Im not a conspiracy guy but looks like a duck, smells like duck, walks like a duck...
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Default Re: OSU, USC, and St. Marys got screwed.

I agree on St. Marys and USC. For sure.

But OSU I disagree on. The only thing they had going for them was a few big name wins, and I suppose "being hot" towards the end of the season. But they actually finished the year 5-5 in their last 10, which isn't great, and they weren't very good on the road, though they did have a couple of big road wins. Their RPI was 88th. I'm going to go out on a limb and say no team with an RPI in the 80's or worse has ever gotten an at-large bid.
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I've never really thought the NCAA Selection committee selections were a scam or incompetent, until this year.

This thing is a sham.
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owsho was .500 over its last 10 games and 6-8 over its last 14. As surges go, that's underwhelming, even if the committee did consider the last 10 games as a factor.

oswho usually relies on a weak non-conference schedule to improve their record in football, too. I feel no sympathy for them.
Exactly. Screw LosuR.
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I've never really thought the NCAA Selection committee selections were a scam or incompetent, until this year.

This thing is a sham.
Horse hockey!

Schools knew that padding their OOC schedule with cupcakes would be frowned upon yet they still padded their OOC schedule with cupcakes.

They knew they needed wins over quality opponents but failed to get them.

Too bad for them. Maybe they will learn their lesson and schedule and play accordingly.
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Old 03-12-2018, 09:36 AM   #23
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St marys plays in a poop trash league.They should have never been ranked in the first place..

USC got screwed.

OSU did not get screwed. The fact they are making the argument OU v OSU shows that they are: firstly, dumb because no one was making that the case, secondly, admitting they don't have an independent basis of their actual body of work, otherwise they'd be making that argument.

I love that they were kept out.. so much for Oklahoma's basketball school lol
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Old 03-12-2018, 09:43 AM   #24
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well, you can "expect" until the cows come home and you will continue to be disappointed. Conference scheduling is biased so long as the conference does not round robin like the Big-12 does. Thus the OOC games you schedule for yourself will make much more difference. Schedule harder teams and beat them. Thats how you make the ncaa's.
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But they were very under seeded. As was Michigan St.

Now that’s a conspiracy that should have some legs yet the mouth breathing talking heads are wasting time on “the committee couldn’t keep OU out cause of Trae Young” which makes 0 sense based on the factors they actually used to pick teams.


No they weren't. They were seeded correctly based on their resumes. Michigan State has 2 wins over the entire tournament field. How the hell anyone thinks they deserved higher than a 3 is beyond me.


What it seems like talking heads and you want is a system that makes 0 sense 100% of the time. Like, I think Syracuse didn't make sense, especially when compared to USC, but other than that, everything lined up perfectly with how the committee operates. Arguing for a system that is eye test means none of the selections would make sense and would just be argued with "well, eye test told us they are good." I'll take this system 100% of the time over anyone doing it by eye test.
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