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Old 03-13-2018, 07:41 AM   #126
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Except of course the matrices consistently show that OU had a superior season. Only OSU homers, OU/Trae Young haters, or idiots think that OSU deserved a bid above OU.
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Aka, “idiots”
Or those that have watched the entire season.

OSU was a better team for half of the season and they proved it on the court.

Of course I'm happy that we got in over them.
I just think it is odd that people act like we are a vastly superior team than them
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:49 AM   #127
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OSU was a better team for half of the season and they proved it on the court.
Both teams finished 8-10 in the Big 12. Both lost their SEC Challenge game. Define "better."

Actually, don't. You've already tried, and it was nonsense.
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Or those that have watched the entire season.

OSU was a better team for half of the season and they proved it on the court.

Of course I'm happy that we got in over them.
I just think it is odd that people act like we are a vastly superior team than them
Maybe I missed it, but I haven’t seen anyone state ou was vastly superior. An osu fan posted a thread stating they got screwed, when very clearly they did not get screwed. They finished with the same record in the big 12. Yes, they beat ou in the conf. Tournament so give them the slight edge for the second half of the season. The difference is ou was better against significantly tougher competition in the first half. That’s why ou made it and osu didn’t. Not because ou has Trae, not an fbi probe conspiracy, osu simply missed the cut because of its poor non conference schedule and in conference record.
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Both teams finished 8-10 in the Big 12. Both lost their SEC Challenge game. Define "better."

Actually, don't. You've already tried, and it was nonsense.
Same record, better wins, and they beat us twice.

I don't know how anybody looking at this objectively could not see that OSU was the better team the second half of the season. It doesn't make you a bad OU fan to admit truth.
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:58 AM   #130
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Maybe I missed it, but I haven’t seen anyone state ou was vastly superior. An osu fan posted a thread stating they got screwed, when very clearly they did not get screwed. They finished with the same record in the big 12. Yes, they beat ou in the conf. Tournament so give them the slight edge for the second half of the season. The difference is ou was better against significantly tougher competition in the first half. That’s why ou made it and osu didn’t. Not because ou has Trae, not an fbi probe conspiracy, osu simply missed the cut because of its poor non conference schedule and in conference record.
I just disagree.
I do think OU's nonconference wins were slightly better but not significantly better.
And I do think that if OU did not have Trae, and had the same record, we would not be in. Trae created a lot of attention of OU hoops and without it, I think it would have been easier to look at how terrible we have been playing and leave us out.
I don't think the FBI probe had much to do with it either
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:04 AM   #131
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I just disagree.
I do think OU's nonconference wins were slightly better but not significantly better.
And I do think that if OU did not have Trae, and had the same record, we would not be in. Trae created a lot of attention of OU hoops and without it, I think it would have been easier to look at how terrible we have been playing and leave us out.
I don't think the FBI probe had much to do with it either
If that was the case then ou would be in the play in and osu would have been a first four out. As it is, ou was safely in the field and osu wasn’t even that close to making it. You can disagree but when you put the resumes side by side, ou’s was better and the committee of humans plus every computer came to the same conclusion.
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Same record, better wins, and they beat us twice.

I don't know how anybody looking at this objectively could not see that OSU was the better team the second half of the season. It doesn't make you a bad OU fan to admit truth.
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Same record, better wins, and they beat us twice.

I don't know how anybody looking at this objectively could not see that OSU was the better team the second half of the season. It doesn't make you a bad OU fan to admit truth.
And I don't see how anyone who follows the sport can continue focusing on who was better for the second half of the season, when that is an irrelevant factor.
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If that was the case then ou would be in the play in and osu would have been a first four out. As it is, ou was safely in the field and osu wasn’t even that close to making it. You can disagree but when you put the resumes side by side, ou’s was better and the committee of humans plus every computer came to the same conclusion.
That's fine.
I'm just saying that OSU was the better team for the second half of the season
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And I don't see how anyone who follows the sport can continue focusing on who was better for the second half of the season, when that is an irrelevant factor.
How is it irrelevant?

Personally, I like to see the teams I root for get better and improve through the year like OSU did rather than get worse like OU did. So to me, it is very relevant who is the better team at the end of the year and who wins the head to head matchups.


I'd much rather have a rough nonconference and be playing the best basketball at the end of the season than the other way around and I think the end of the year tournament should have the best teams. I don't think OU is a better team than OSU. Yes, overall, OU had a better year by some standards, but I don't feel they are a better team
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Old 03-13-2018, 09:32 AM   #136
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How is it irrelevant?

Personally, I like to see the teams I root for get better and improve through the year like OSU did rather than get worse like OU did. So to me, it is very relevant who is the better team at the end of the year and who wins the head to head matchups.


I'd much rather have a rough nonconference and be playing the best basketball at the end of the season than the other way around and I think the end of the year tournament should have the best teams. I don't think OU is a better team than OSU. Yes, overall, OU had a better year by some standards, but I don't feel they are a better team
The discussion of the thread isn’t who is better today, it’s did osu get screwed by the selection committee. When one crunches the numbers it is clear that the answer to that question is unequivocally no, they did not get screwed. Everything u said can be true and osu can still not be worthy to get an invite to the dance.

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How is it irrelevant?

Personally, I like to see the teams I root for get better and improve through the year like OSU did rather than get worse like OU did. So to me, it is very relevant who is the better team at the end of the year and who wins the head to head matchups.


I'd much rather have a rough nonconference and be playing the best basketball at the end of the season than the other way around and I think the end of the year tournament should have the best teams. I don't think OU is a better team than OSU. Yes, overall, OU had a better year by some standards, but I don't feel they are a better team
Because the topic is whether OSU "got screwed" by being left out of the tournament. When the committee makes clear that the end of the season doesn't count any more than the beginning, it is by definition irrelevant in assessing whether OSU or any team is playing better than OU right now. If the topic is whether I would prefer OU to be playing better right now, obviously the answer would be yes. But that's not what this thread is about.
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Well I guess I missed the memo where the only things that can be discussed in a thread is strictly what the original topic is.

Sorry guys.
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Because the topic is whether OSU "got screwed" by being left out of the tournament. When the committee makes clear that the end of the season doesn't count any more than the beginning, it is by definition irrelevant in assessing whether OSU or any team is playing better than OU right now. If the topic is whether I would prefer OU to be playing better right now, obviously the answer would be yes. But that's not what this thread is about.
It seems pretty clear to me that the committee favors what you did pre-conference more than post-conference. They say they matter the same, but their selections do not indicate that. Kinda like the USC coach said... might as well just stop playing in December. Rack up a few non-con wins, and you are good. Doesn't matter if you lose your last 10 games or whatever, you won some in November so you are solid.
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Or those that have watched the entire season.

OSU was a better team for half of the season and they proved it on the court.

Of course I'm happy that we got in over them.
I just think it is odd that people act like we are a vastly superior team than them
Well, first of all, I can speak for myself, and many others who are merely reacting to the notion that OSU got "screwed". I'm actually open to the argument that OU might be an undeserving at large bid. But I am NOT open to the idea that it should have been OSU in their place.

I don't know how many ways myself and others can prove that OSU did not have a tournament caliber resume based on the criteria the selection committee has historically used. Now you are free to advocate for different criteria (e.g. "eye test", more emphasis on late season results, less emphasis on RPI, etc.), but based on the criteria the committee has used in the past, and apparently again this year, OSU definitively did NOT get "screwed."
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Guys I can't stand OSwho, my perfect season would be for them to lose every game in every sport but that said they played very good ball down the line and they should have gotten in. Listening to the talking heads at espnsec I think the committee used their early games against them and therefore left them out. O well they can always say "wait till next year".
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The committee put osu exactly where they belong. You can’t take a snapshot of a few games and say a team played better during this stretch of games. OU played like a #1 seed in December. Does that mean they should be a #1 seed? No.

You take the whole season. All the games matter. Based on all the criteria, osu did not deserve to get in. They are exactly where they should be, exactly what their season has earned them. The NIT.
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Same record, better wins, and they beat us twice.

I don't know how anybody looking at this objectively could not see that OSU was the better team the second half of the season. It doesn't make you a bad OU fan to admit truth.
They both went 8-10 in conference, and both lost their SEC challenge games. That's a toss-up. Since the committee (rightfully) looks at the entire season, perhaps you should consider doing the same.
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If you don't give any weight to playing better late, but instead look at the entire year, OU had a better year. Ou had a better record against stiffer competition. OSU won 2 of 3 head to head, would be their best argument.

Fact is that OU got in ahead of OSU and ASU got in ahead of USC, for the same reason. In both cases, the records were similar and the committee just put the team that didn't buy their players in over the schools that did.

USC and OSU couldn't be directly or openly punished because the proper process hadn't been followed, but they both had assistant coaches ARRESTED BY THE FBI for buying or trying to buy players. Enough smoke that the committee just decided between fairly equal teams to give the benefit of the doubt to the teams that weren't involved in the scandal.
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If you don't give any weight to playing better late, but instead look at the entire year, OU had a better year.
You didn't need to go any further than that, since the committee does not, in fact, give any weight to playing better late and does instead look at the entire year.
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The NCAA likes money. One team has Trae Young, the other does not. End of story.
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If you don't give any weight to playing better late, but instead look at the entire year, OU had a better year. Ou had a better record against stiffer competition. OSU won 2 of 3 head to head, would be their best argument.

Fact is that OU got in ahead of OSU and ASU got in ahead of USC, for the same reason. In both cases, the records were similar and the committee just put the team that didn't buy their players in over the schools that did.

USC and OSU couldn't be directly or openly punished because the proper process hadn't been followed, but they both had assistant coaches ARRESTED BY THE FBI for buying or trying to buy players. Enough smoke that the committee just decided between fairly equal teams to give the benefit of the doubt to the teams that weren't involved in the scandal.
That simply isn't a "fact." It's a conspiracy theory, and frankly kind of a silly one. I mean, KU was implicated in that same scandal. They were "punished" with a #1 seed in Wichita. UNC has been implicated in that scandal and others as well. They got a 2 seed in Charlotte as a 10 loss team. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Moreoever, OSU's RPI was around 90. There has NEVER been a team get an at large bid with an RPI in that range. Ever. So even if it's true that the committee (which is comprised of athletic directors---not NCAA officials), did somehow decide it wanted to punish the teams implicated in the NCAA/FBI scandal, that almost certainly wasn't the reason OSU didn't get in. It's because their RPI was 90.
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Those OU fans who are trying to convince other OU fans that OSU got screwed are wasting their time. If you are looking for someone to blame, voice your frustrations out at the RPI. As long as the tournament committee uses the RPI as a factor for getting an at-large berth, no one with an 88 is going to be selected. NO ONE...not Duke, not North Carolina, and definitely not Oklahoma State.

In fairness, no objective OU fan should be arguing that Oklahoma State has been better than OU (even if by a small margin) in the 2018 calendar year.
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Those OU fans who are trying to convince other OU fans that OSU got screwed are wasting their time. If you are looking for someone to blame, voice your frustrations out at the RPI. As long as the tournament committee uses the RPI as a factor for getting an at-large berth, no one with an 88 is going to be selected. NO ONE...not Duke, not North Carolina, and definitely not Oklahoma State.

In fairness, no objective OU fan should be arguing that Oklahoma State has been better than OU (even if by a small margin) in the 2018 calendar year.
In fairness? No one in this thread has argued that last point at all. It has repeatedly been pointed out that the entire season matters for the NCAA committee and rightfully so. The NCAA committee also highly values quality wins and that is where USC was bit (their only top 50 RPI wins for the season are MTSU and New Mexico St). That is it.
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