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Old 01-05-2019, 08:58 PM   #26
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Unbeliever that Sherri does not set screens for Taylor. If I were her dad, I tell her to transfer to a school who has a coach.
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If it were his dream, as I have said, then Colton needs to give up taking over from his mother and start looking for the best coaching job he can get now. If the season does not get better, there will be transfers, decommits and Sherri will probably not coach another season. If she does, it will be one. I believe there is a lot of positive things to be said about Sherri as a coach but it appears her biggest flaw is not hiring a coach who complements her and then actually listening to that coach. Maybe she had that with Bo Overton but have not seen since. I guess the alternative is that she nor her assistants/associates have any positive attributes as coaches. I don't think that is true, but I do not think they work well together to put a good team on the floor.
One specific thing, I have only seen a few players actually get better since I started watching in 2002.

Really hoping for the team's and coaches' sakes, that this season gets better. Still, something has to change.
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I did not get to see the game tonight. However, I just finished looking at the stat sheet and was shocked at the numbers.

There were a lot of close statistics, but I got the feeling from the board that we really stunk it up tonight in every way possible.28 percent from the field? WTH? We probably hit a season high from the line.

It sounds like we put on one of the worst performances of Sherri’s career.

What the Hell happened?

I figured we’d have trouble with KSU’s height. Was that a big problem? Where they faster/quicker? Bad calls? Clearly they shot like crap.

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I hope some of you can now see why I feel the way I do concerning Sherri Coale as a coach. Not and never said anything bad about her as a person (if I recall correctly) but guys this program is in a poor way and it falls all or mostly on Sherri.
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I did not get to see the game tonight. However, I just finished looking at the stat sheet and was shocked at the numbers.

There were a lot of close statistics, but I got the feeling from the board that we really stunk it up tonight in every way possible.28 percent from the field? WTH? We probably hit a season high from the line.

It sounds like we put on one of the worst performances of Sherri’s career.

What the Hell happened?

I figured we’d have trouble with KSU’s height. Was that a big problem? Where they faster/quicker? Bad calls? Clearly they shot like crap.

Give me a rundown and I’ll try to catch a replay.




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They played like they were inexperienced, and shorter. Going to have this type of game if you have freshmen and sophomores as your top 8 players. Really good showing against UCONN, great win against Tech, then a stinker away from home. We are going to suffer this year because of recruiting failures 3, 4 and 5 years ago. Still, this team hustles and shows promise. I prefer this team to most the last few years.
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Unbeliever that Sherri does not set screens for Taylor. If I were her dad, I tell her to transfer to a school who has a coach.
I'm sure she wishes she could hear her dad's voice again. At least she is playing at his favorite university.

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I was thinking after the OU loss to KSU. Did any of you posters play high school basketball? If so I have a second question. What is the real difference between your credentials to be an OU WBB assistant coach and Colton Coale's credentials? The answer appears to be not much.
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I was thinking after the OU loss to KSU. Did any of you posters play high school basketball? If so I have a second question. What is the real difference between your credentials to be an OU WBB assistant coach and Colton Coale's credentials? The answer appears to be not much.
I really wish Sherri could turn it around but I fear this year is the year that everything is comes to roost for Sherri. The team looks so completely overwhelmed. I know they beat a terrible Texas Tech team (they played every D-2 team in West Texas) and stayed within a few points of UConn. I personally think Geno was taking it easy on Sherri. Mulkey will NOT take it on Sherri.

I am still upset that OU doesn't run the player camps during the Summer. You build relationships with the local kids (Patti has those going throughout the Summer).

Spock, you are absolutely correct on Colton. I don't know how a coach can make that hire? I know that nepotism runs deep in the OU athletic department from Mike Stoops to Kevin Kruger to J. T. Gasso.

Of course, Mike Stoops had years of being a successful defensive assistant at Kansas State before he arrived. Kevin Kruger played Pro Basketball around the world and Lon had him go cut his teeth at another school (Northern Arizona) 2015-2016 before bringing him to Norman in 2017 after losing Steve Henson and Lew Hill to head coaching jobs after about 20 years for each on Lon's staff. I think it took Lon several years to get the staff back to the level of the Final Four team. I have to remind people that like Lon Kruger, Patti made J. T. gain experience on other staff's. People forget that he was the hitting coach at Purdue and Michigan State before coming back to OU. Even in Women's Gymnastics K. J. and Lou Ball are married but both had significant D-1 experience and with K. J. head coaching experience before arriving at OU. I don't know that I have ever seen a Assistant Coach hired with less experience. I guess he was the Radio Voice for the OU Women's Basketball team and a Male Practice Player while he was in College.
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I really wish Sherri could turn it around but I fear this year is the year that everything is comes to roost for Sherri. The team looks so completely overwhelmed. I know they beat a terrible Texas Tech team (they played every D-2 team in West Texas) and stayed within a few points of UConn. I personally think Geno was taking it easy on Sherri. Mulkey will NOT take it on Sherri.

I am still upset that OU doesn't run the player camps during the Summer. You build relationships with the local kids (Patti has those going throughout the Summer).

Spock, you are absolutely correct on Colton. I don't know how a coach can make that hire? I know that nepotism runs deep in the OU athletic department from Mike Stoops to Kevin Kruger to J. T. Gasso.

Of course, Mike Stoops had years of being a successful defensive assistant at Kansas State before he arrived. Kevin Kruger played Pro Basketball around the world and Lon had him go cut his teeth at another school (Northern Arizona) 2015-2016 before bringing him to Norman in 2017 after losing Steve Henson and Lew Hill to head coaching jobs after about 20 years for each on Lon's staff. I think it took Lon several years to get the staff back to the level of the Final Four team. I have to remind people that like Lon Kruger, Patti made J. T. gain experience on other staff's. People forget that he was the hitting coach at Purdue and Michigan State before coming back to OU. Even in Women's Gymnastics K. J. and Lou Ball are married but both had significant D-1 experience and with K. J. head coaching experience before arriving at OU. I don't know that I have ever seen a Assistant Coach hired with less experience. I guess he was the Radio Voice for the OU Women's Basketball team and a Male Practice Player while he was in College.
You are absolutely spot on in all of this.
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I was thinking after the OU loss to KSU. Did any of you posters play high school basketball? If so I have a second question. What is the real difference between your credentials to be an OU WBB assistant coach and Colton Coale's credentials? The answer appears to be not much.
The difference is we KNOW we arn’t Goode enough..
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The difference is we KNOW we arn’t Goode enough..
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I thought we were going in the right direction after playing DePaul and Connecticut close then having that 10-day break seem to have put us in a stalemate...we looked sloppy as can be against Tech, certainly not the team that played tight against Connecticut and obviously played horrible against Kansas State. as everyone has said, this is to be expected with such a young team, but I still can't be content with this as a fan. I just can't. I don't want to be an embarrassment program and at the bottom of the Big 12 and we are and will continue to be this year. I thought maybe we could beat Texas this week but now I know we won't and the two games after that I feel like we will lose as well. I looked at the schedule and I believe we will be 5 - 10 before realistically we can win another game...unless a miracle happens and we completely change the way we've been playing, again. This is not what you want in a program. To win 15 games a season 2 years in a row with no major changes ahead in the future makes me realize this program is in peril, you can't get good recruits, even if they are Oklahoma fans, if you produce bad teams consecutive years. Nobody wants to play for a crap team no matter how big is fan they are. Just completely disappointed in SC... AS USUAL
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The last time this team/program was going in the right direction I had hair on my head.
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A cold shooting night left the Oklahoma women’s basketball team playing from behind all night in an 86-56 loss to Kansas State Saturday night in Manhattan, Kansas.

The Sooners (5-8, 1-1 Big 12) shot just 28 percent (14-of-50) from the field and 23 percent (5-of-22) from 3-point range. OU trailed by five points after one quarter and was 19 down at halftime.

Ana Llanusa led OU with 14 points and five rebounds off the bench. Taylor Robertson added 12 points.
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I won't get into Colton since I didn't see any reason to approve of Mike Stoops after the Florida State game of 2000, and I'm not particularly impressed by what I perceive as the efforts of JT Gasso. I don't really know what Gasso and Colton Coale contribute. Not a matter for discussion unless you actually know.

I was disappointed by the Kansas State game. But, at least I saw the game. I'm not sure many did.

Given the history of K State this year, I probably would have let them shoot from outside all night long. They haven't hit those all year. Even after they hit a couple, you would probably be exercising bad judgement to waste your defensive efforts guarding them at the three-point line. Sometimes, teams just have one of those games. K State hit them. They had to stop it sometime. They kept hitting them. They can't keep it up. They kept it up.

K State isn't even that good from two. I wondered if they were ever going to miss a two-point shot. They hit 63% at halftime, and they weren't cripples. They were hitting legitimate shots, the type they can't hit, hadn't hit all year. It happens.

They got ahead 10-0. We actually made a run and pulled within four, 15-11, I think. But, a couple of turnovers that were really stupid, a couple of strange calls, and a couple of threes, and K State never looked back. Every time we got a mini-run of maybe six points, they hit a three, or we had a turnover. Some of the turnovers were suspect calls. We were called for traveling in questionable situations, or moving screens, or charges, or 3-second calls. But, some of our turnovers were just plain dumb. Think.

I think Shaina started the game and the second half. Both times, I think she was pulled after about a minute, and Ana was inserted. Ana played well, and smart. She was the only one who did---the only one. taylor and Jessi were passable. Shaina and Mandy had bad nights. I have no clue what happened to Madi.

The K State announcing crew kept saying what great defense K State was playing. Not true. We couldn't make a shot in an open court. They guarded the three point line. But, they left everything from five to twenty feet pretty much open. We got there at will. But, we didn't shoot when we got there. We were tentative, hesitant, uncertain, incompetent. It's like we feared shooting from ten. We kept trying to set up the three or a layup. Couldn't. Our passing wasn't that crisp. Mostly, we didn't move. We passed the ball around a zone. When we penetrated, we passed rather than shoot. Horrid night of decisions.

We ran into a situation that won't happen often. K-State could have challenged UConn on this one night. They hit shots that UConn didn't. They hit everything. It all worked for them. Three nights earlier, they had lost by 38. They made up for it.

I don't know that there was much to learn from this. We got lost early in the game. We put out effort. We actually outrebounded K State for the first three quarters, despite the fact that we were the ones missing the shots. We got all of the hustle balls in the first half, probably three quarters. We just didn't do anything with it when we got it.

Freshmen played like freshmen, as did a couple of sophs. EJ was in for about ten minutes. One rebound. Did absolutely nothing. Four OU players under the rim, including EJ. One K State player would sneak in and grab the rebound because EJ just stood there taking up space. I think she earned a permanent spot on the bench. No value whatsoever.

It just happens. Wonder how K-State would have fared against Notre Dame or UConn on this one night? They aren't that good. I remember once hitting seven straight shots. I wasn't that good.
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I won't get into Colton since I didn't see any reason to approve of Mike Stoops after the Florida State game of 2000, and I'm not particularly impressed by what I perceive as the efforts of JT Gasso. I don't really know what Gasso and Colton Coale contribute. Not a matter for discussion unless you actually know.

I was disappointed by the Kansas State game. But, at least I saw the game. I'm not sure many did.

Given the history of K State this year, I probably would have let them shoot from outside all night long. They haven't hit those all year. Even after they hit a couple, you would probably be exercising bad judgement to waste your defensive efforts guarding them at the three-point line. Sometimes, teams just have one of those games. K State hit them. They had to stop it sometime. They kept hitting them. They can't keep it up. They kept it up.

K State isn't even that good from two. I wondered if they were ever going to miss a two-point shot. They hit 63% at halftime, and they weren't cripples. They were hitting legitimate shots, the type they can't hit, hadn't hit all year. It happens.

They got ahead 10-0. We actually made a run and pulled within four, 15-11, I think. But, a couple of turnovers that were really stupid, a couple of strange calls, and a couple of threes, and K State never looked back. Every time we got a mini-run of maybe six points, they hit a three, or we had a turnover. Some of the turnovers were suspect calls. We were called for traveling in questionable situations, or moving screens, or charges, or 3-second calls. But, some of our turnovers were just plain dumb. Think.

I think Shaina started the game and the second half. Both times, I think she was pulled after about a minute, and Ana was inserted. Ana played well, and smart. She was the only one who did---the only one. taylor and Jessi were passable. Shaina and Mandy had bad nights. I have no clue what happened to Madi.

The K State announcing crew kept saying what great defense K State was playing. Not true. We couldn't make a shot in an open court. They guarded the three point line. But, they left everything from five to twenty feet pretty much open. We got there at will. But, we didn't shoot when we got there. We were tentative, hesitant, uncertain, incompetent. It's like we feared shooting from ten. We kept trying to set up the three or a layup. Couldn't. Our passing wasn't that crisp. Mostly, we didn't move. We passed the ball around a zone. When we penetrated, we passed rather than shoot. Horrid night of decisions.

We ran into a situation that won't happen often. K-State could have challenged UConn on this one night. They hit shots that UConn didn't. They hit everything. It all worked for them. Three nights earlier, they had lost by 38. They made up for it.

I don't know that there was much to learn from this. We got lost early in the game. We put out effort. We actually outrebounded K State for the first three quarters, despite the fact that we were the ones missing the shots. We got all of the hustle balls in the first half, probably three quarters. We just didn't do anything with it when we got it.

Freshmen played like freshmen, as did a couple of sophs. EJ was in for about ten minutes. One rebound. Did absolutely nothing. Four OU players under the rim, including EJ. One K State player would sneak in and grab the rebound because EJ just stood there taking up space. I think she earned a permanent spot on the bench. No value whatsoever.

It just happens. Wonder how K-State would have fared against Notre Dame or UConn on this one night? They aren't that good. I remember once hitting seven straight shots. I wasn't that good.
So you saying OU women got smoked by not so good KSU team..okay
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That type of thing happens. 1975, Kansas 23-Oklahoma 3, 11 fumbles lost.

I remember a Cordell team that beat the top A team (Elk City), as well as a couple of top ten AA teams (top level at the time) and was ranked #3 in the state. They had beaten Dill City three times, once 81-30. In the first round of the district tournament, this powerhouse lost to a pathetic Dill City team by seven. It was their seventh win of the year. It happens.
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Call me a Negative Nell (I can live with it), but I think it's going to happen a lot more this season, Syb.

It just means all games are going to be interesting to watch because there won't be any expected outcome as far as I can tell -- except the frequent certainty that we're going to get our butts handed to us.
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is there a single thing about the women's program that shows it is moving in the right direction? If anything I see the other programs in the conference keep getting stronger and stronger and leaving us further behind.
Are we going to make the tournament this year?
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is there a single thing about the women's program that shows it is moving in the right direction? If anything I see the other programs in the conference keep getting stronger and stronger and leaving us further behind.
Are we going to make the tournament this year?
Only single thing I know is one poster on here that seems to be okay on where the program is right now. I don't see us making any tournament other than the big 12
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That type of thing happens. 1975, Kansas 23-Oklahoma 3, 11 fumbles lost.

I remember a Cordell team that beat the top A team (Elk City), as well as a couple of top ten AA teams (top level at the time) and was ranked #3 in the state. They had beaten Dill City three times, once 81-30. In the first round of the district tournament, this powerhouse lost to a pathetic Dill City team by seven. It was their seventh win of the year. It happens.
Syb, I am sorry but to compare Sherri's team and this game with the 1975 Oklahoma Football team is about silly. That was a national championship team with Leroy and Dewey Selmon, Joe Washington and just a ton of All Americans. That game was a stunner because they had a 37 game unbeaten streak going back to the Colorado game in 1972. In contrast, Sherri's team was 5-7. Sherri's team getting beat by KSU was NOT a stunner. OU had just barely got by a pathetic Texas Tech team. I thought they would lose to KSU in Manhattan. Yes, I watched the game. They were over matched by KSU and they will be the rest of the way. I will go on the record, they will be lucky to reach ten wins. It would not shock me if they didn't win another game.

Yeah, you want to talk about J. T. Gasso vs Colton Coale. J. T.'s record speaks for itself.

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I am not a supporter of nepotism at a public entity under any circumstances but trying Colton's credentials to JT's is folly. I think neither should have been hired at OU. That also includes Mike Stoops, K.J.'s husband Lou Ball, etc.

As OU hitting coach last year the Sooners were #2 (6.66 r/g)nationally in scoring, #19 in BA with a .321, #4 in HR's per game with 1.32 and #1 in Slg %. Job well done JT.

His 2016 and 2017 teams had similar numbers except the power numbers were down from 1.32 to 0.94 and Slg% was .471 good for #19 nationally. The purpose of hitting is to score runs and the OU offense has scored 6.66, 6.26 and 6.69 r/g the last 3 years #2, #9 and #13. Note that their highest r/g average was also their lowest national ranking. The year with our lowest r/g average we were national champions.

But Colton has led the men's practice team against the Sooner women in scrimmages. He has also got to as a GA observe his mother floundering in her attempts to win a conference championships. Great experiences and builds a wonderful bio. And don't forget he did play high school basketball.
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is there a single thing about the women's program that shows it is moving in the right direction? If anything I see the other programs in the conference keep getting stronger and stronger and leaving us further behind.
Are we going to make the tournament this year?
We will not make the tournament...I think this needs to happen in order for some changes to happen aka light a fire under SCs butt!
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I am not a supporter of nepotism at a public entity under any circumstances but trying Colton's credentials to JT's is folly. I think neither should have been hired at OU. That also includes Mike Stoops, K.J.'s husband Lou Ball, etc.

As OU hitting coach last year the Sooners were #2 (6.66 r/g)nationally in scoring, #19 in BA with a .321, #4 in HR's per game with 1.32 and #1 in Slg %. Job well done JT.

His 2016 and 2017 teams had similar numbers except the power numbers were down from 1.32 to 0.94 and Slg% was .471 good for #19 nationally. The purpose of hitting is to score runs and the OU offense has scored 6.66, 6.26 and 6.69 r/g the last 3 years #2, #9 and #13. Note that their highest r/g average was also their lowest national ranking. The year with our lowest r/g average we were national champions.

But Colton has led the men's practice team against the Sooner women in scrimmages. He has also got to as a GA observe his mother floundering in her attempts to win a conference championships. Great experiences and builds a wonderful bio. And don't forget he did play high school basketball.
Nepotism is bad at all levels. Think about the issues it has created at OU.

1. The return of a certain coach's brother caused the exit of Brent Venables. Think about how that played out. Our defense would have still given up points in the Big-12 with all the powerful offenses, but Venables is recognized as an excellent coach, Mike - not so much. We might well have a couple of additional National Titles under our belt had such a selfish, nepotistic thing not happened.

2. SC has likely destroyed any chance Colton has of a successful career as a college coach. Who is going to hire him after the disaster he has been part of? Even if a political move is pulled off and someone does, think about the huge challenge before him to quiet the doubters. She likely damaged her own son's career hopes. And make no mistake, with respect to the actual basketball skills, it is an almost certainty Jan Ross was much more responsible for that than SC. That may be a big part of the decline in our play since Jan reduced her role so CC could have the job. I'm told that even in college, Jan was a far, far better player than SC. In fact, SC was - at best - the 3rd best player on those OC teams.

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