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Old 05-18-2019, 08:57 AM   #51
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If he actually was OU's best recruiter, then maybe that explains why the OU basketball team had the worst record in the Big-12 over the past 3 years.

Lon has tremendous contacts throughout the industry. Go hire someone better.

Frankly, I am optimistic about this change in personnel. This is good news. Coach Kruger has the opportunity to upgrade the staff.

If Crutchfield leaving means Lon will upgrade his staff, I’ll be the happiest fan on this board. He had the same opportunity when he hired Hartmann and his son. I am already on record in saying that I’m excited about next year’s recruiting class. But nothing I saw for the previous two seasons led me to believe Lon’s hires were actually upgrades.

EDIT: I stand corrected. Hartman was the lead assistant in recruiting Jamal Bieniemy. That is a major feather in his recruiting cap IMO. I stand by my comment about Kevin Kruger.
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Old 05-18-2019, 10:10 AM   #52
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And that is a good thing. When Coach Kruger does retire, his replacement should be someone far better than Coach Crutchfield.

Absolutely. If Crutchfield actually thinks he should be OU's next head coach, he's out of his mind.
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Old 05-18-2019, 10:12 AM   #53
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If he actually was OU's best recruiter, then maybe that explains why the OU basketball team had the worst record in the Big-12 over the past 3 years.

Lon has tremendous contacts throughout the industry. Go hire someone better.

Frankly, I am optimistic about this change in personnel. This is good news. Coach Kruger has the opportunity to upgrade the staff.


Kruger will likely retire in a couple years. Might not be the best situation to try to upgrade an assistant when they know they won't have job security.
Look for someone similar to Molinari.

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Old 05-18-2019, 10:29 AM   #54
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Lincoln Riley never held the head coach in waiting title. No one except those deep in the program had any inkling of Bob Stoops retiring until 24-48 hours before it was announced.

Designating someone as HC in waiting is to put it in a contract and creating a financial obligation which would be a bad business decision. Not a Joe C. practice.
Some people call it a Kleenex when really it's just a tissue. I doubt Joe C offered a handshake agreement for Crutch to become the next coach, and Crutch refused because it wasn't in writing.

A job of OU's caliber doesn't get filled that quickly if OU hadn't already made the decision in advance.
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Old 05-18-2019, 10:37 AM   #55
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If Crutchfield leaving means Lon will upgrade his staff, Iíll be the happiest fan on this board. He had the same opportunity when he hired Hartmann and his son. I am already on record in saying that Iím excited about next yearís recruiting class. But nothing I saw for the previous two seasons led me to believe Lonís hires were actually upgrades.

EDIT: I stand corrected. Hartman was the lead assistant in recruiting Jamal Bieniemy. That is a major feather in his recruiting cap IMO. I stand by my comment about Kevin Kruger.
read your texts!

Jalen Hill was Kevins. I think that will turn out as good as Jamal.
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Old 05-18-2019, 11:13 AM   #56
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read your texts!

Jalen Hill was Kevins. I think that will turn out as good as Jamal.
Thatís news to me. I donít recall reading or hearing anything to suggest that Kevin was involved in Hillís recruitment, just that Lonís ties to Vegas was a factor. Did I miss that in one of your responses to my criticism of Kevin?

If Kevin was the primary recruiter, that was a great get for him. I may be more excited about Jalen Hill than anyone in our 2019 class, with the possible exception of DeíVion Harmon.
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Thatís news to me. I donít recall reading or hearing anything to suggest that Kevin was involved in Hillís recruitment, just that Lonís ties to Vegas was a factor. Did I miss that in one of your responses to my criticism of Kevin?

If Kevin was the primary recruiter, that was a great get for him. I may be more excited about Jalen Hill than anyone in our 2019 class, with the possible exception of DeíVion Harmon.
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Old 05-18-2019, 01:00 PM   #58
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Jalen Hill was Kevins. I think that will turn out as good as Jamal.
Some on here want to treat KK like the football idiots treated Kish. Several REFUSED to give Kish any credit on getting certain recruits! It was comical. Heck, we can all thank Kish for OU getting Spencer Rattler! Kish is the one who identified Rattler through his connections in Arizona and told LR (back when he was OC) that he needed to check out his tape, etc.

I just hope that with Crutch heading to Arkansas, it doesn't impact Bryce Thompson's decision any. I would like to think that his dad is one that tends to think that you can't make your decision based on the asst. coaches on staff. He knows that asst coaching changes are very common and that OU is still OU, the location isn't any further now, LK is still the HC and he will run his same system. Rod also knows LK will bring in a quality coach....who ever it happens to be.

I know relationships are important, but LK has been VERY involved in Thompson's recruitment, so I would think LK has probably already spoken to them. And you know LK is one of the best about remaining calm and positive even through adversity. No TO's needed here!!!! :-)
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Old 05-18-2019, 02:09 PM   #59
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Some on here want to treat KK like the football idiots treated Kish. Several REFUSED to give Kish any credit on getting certain recruits! It was comical. Heck, we can all thank Kish for OU getting Spencer Rattler! Kish is the one who identified Rattler through his connections in Arizona and told LR (back when he was OC) that he needed to check out his tape, etc.
I agree that we'll miss KK about as much as we'll miss Kish.
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De'Vion Harmon begs to differ:
Yeah this one Hurt. Thank you for believing in me when the rest of the World wasn’t checking for De’Vion Harmon. You gave me an opportunity that only I could have dreamed of... Love You Coach❤️ #GodBless����

Also, it's been announced that Crutchfield will be associate head coach at Arkansas.
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Old 05-18-2019, 07:46 PM   #61
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It’s not out of the realm of possibility that Harmon could decide to go elsewhere and never show up to OU because of this. He would likely be released and free to transfer without sitting out as well.
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:34 PM   #62
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Itís not out of the realm of possibility that Harmon could decide to go elsewhere and never show up to OU because of this. He would likely be released and free to transfer without sitting out as well.
What world would that happen in? Find me even a single example of a kid getting a release and being immediately eligible because of an assistant leaving. I'll be impressed if you can because I don't think it's ever happened. Assistants leave all the time, if kids got releases because of that, letters of intent would be completely meaningless.
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Itís not out of the realm of possibility that Harmon could decide to go elsewhere and never show up to OU because of this. He would likely be released and free to transfer without sitting out as well.
What?
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Old 05-19-2019, 11:49 AM   #65
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$125k raise at Arkansas. Would have stayed if he were to be considered head coach in waiting. Obviously Kruger has 2 years or less remaining to coach. So there is your answer.
I'll take that bet on Kruger. I seriously doubt he is only here two more seasons.
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The argument on the women's program losing money is stupid. I'm pretty sure a few years ago (think 5-7 years), there wasn't a women's program in the country generating a profit. ALL women's programs lose money. MAYBE somebody like Connecticut has changed that a bit, but I doubt it. According to the link below (2018), OU's women's program was 13th in the country in revenues.

I'm guessing what happens with football and men's basketball has almost nothing to do with any of the other sports. I know it's one department, but you don't punish the two programs that actually generate a profit, IF you have to punish anybody, you punish those losing money.

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/...m-revenue.aspx
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What world would that happen in? Find me even a single example of a kid getting a release and being immediately eligible because of an assistant leaving. I'll be impressed if you can because I don't think it's ever happened. Assistants leave all the time, if kids got releases because of that, letters of intent would be completely meaningless.
Bru McCoy requested a release due to Kingsbury's departure, and he was only OC for a few days. It's the most absurd thing ever, and I'm not sure where the case stands now, but there was optimism at one point he'd get a release.
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Harmon's an OU guy and has family who have lived in Oklahoma forever. He's coming here to play for OU, not to play for Crutch.
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Harmon's an OU guy and has family who have lived in Oklahoma forever. He's coming here to play for OU, not to play for Crutch.
Exactly!! The only players that choose a school solely because of who their assistant coach is are players who Arizona, USC, or any other school who has recently had their asst coaches caught in a scam.
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Absolutely. If Crutchfield actually thinks he should be OU's next head coach, he's out of his mind.
Why?
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De'Vion Harmon begs to differ:
Yeah this one Hurt. Thank you for believing in me when the rest of the World wasnít checking for DeíVion Harmon. You gave me an opportunity that only I could have dreamed of... Love You Coach❤️ #GodBless����

Also, it's been announced that Crutchfield will be associate head coach at Arkansas.
Refers to himself in the third person. Great.
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Well, for one reason, OU will likely hire a new head coach that already has a track record as a head coach. That is not Crutchfield.

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Do we have any more news about Price or Williamson?

Price is a favorite son, of course, but he has not been coaching as long as Williamson - who has the strong Oklahoma ties (especially NE OK) and Texas ties too.

I think either would be good, no idea if they would be an upgrade over Crutchfield - I leave that to the hoops experts here - but on paper Williamson appears better.

Price has very little coaching experience. 2014 - Houston, Director of Player Development and 2013-14 Texas Legends, Assistant Coach NBA Developmental League

Williamson has more experience for sure - Washington State, Illinois State, Tulane, Wichita State, Texas A&M, SMU and TCU in addition to Memphis and Tulsa - where he was even the interim head coach for 20 games or so.

Lots of Texas experience, which would be a plus for him for sure.
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Refers to himself in the third person. Great.
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