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Old 02-01-2019, 09:42 PM   #1
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Well based on that, I doubt we go after any transfers in the off season. From her quotes, it seems like Sherri knows the game may be passing her by but doesn't care too much about that.
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This article tells you all you need to know about what is right and wrong with the program.

I found Sherri’s comments very revealing.

She basically admits she isn’t interested in bringing in transfers and that she is more interested in producing good people than she is in winning games and championships.

This article also basically confirms that Sherri does indeed have a very narrow description of the type of girl she will recruit and sign.

So, maybe some of the rumors that she only likes Goody-Two-Shoes, Church-going kids on her team may have some sliver of foundation.

It seems Sherri basically confirms many of the basic rumors about her questionable recruiting practices and player requirements.

Now I think all of that is laudable, but it isn’t her primary job. She seems to me to have lost sight of what her job really is.

If Sherri wants to be a preacher, teacher, a developer of her view of what a good person and citizen is, that is absolutely fine and laudable to me.

Let her go be a pastor or a guidance counselor or professor a la Mr. Chips if she wants to.

But if your going to be a $1.2 million+ head basketball coach at a major university do your damn job first or at least at the same time — win games!

To me this is article reveals a coach who is trying but who isn’t going to change.

This story solidifies my belief that it is time for Joe C to lay down the law and demand changes or for him to fire a once-great coach.

Here’s the story:

OU basketball: Sherri Coale and her Sooners facing harsh reality, brutal season — what gives?
Jenni Carlson
by JENNI CARLSON
Published: Fri, February 1, 2019 7:00 PM Updated: Fri, February 1, 2019 9:17 PM


Oklahoma coach Sherri Coale is in the midst of her worst season since the early days of her tenure leading the Sooners. Heading in Saturday's game against Texas, OU is 5-14 and in serious jeopardy of missing the NCAA Tournament for the first time in 19 years. [PHOTO BY BRYAN TERRY, THE OKLAHOMAN]


NORMAN

As the court cleared after practice, several players remained at the far end of the Lloyd Noble Center. Divided into sides, they shot toward the basket.

Finally, cheers.

“Yeahhhhhh!”

The winning shot had fallen, and the victorious side was celebrating.

“Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!”

Their spirits were high.

Their fortunes, however, have been down.

With the Oklahoma women's basketball team hosting rival Texas on Saturday, a harsh reality has set in. These Sooners could well be headed for the bottom of the Big 12. They are 5-14 overall and 1-7 in Big 12 play, and that conference win required a double-digit, second-half comeback.

OU's streak of 19 consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances is most certainly in jeopardy.


So is the run of 19 consecutive winning seasons. Not since Sherri Coale's second season as head coach have the Sooners had a losing record.

What happened

So, what has happened to OU?

Talk to people who have immersed themselves in women's basketball, and they'll tell you there isn't any one thing causing what ails the Sooners. One expert said the deteriorating health of the program has been caused by small wounds.

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“A nick here, a nick there,” said Mechelle Voepel, longtime women's basketball writer and current ESPN.com analyst, “and all of a sudden, you're bleeding to death.”

The Sooners might not be dying, but they certainly need some triage. Sure, Sooner teams of the past have set an extremely high bar for what is deemed successful — there have been three Final Four appearances in the 2000s — and yet, a team with twice as many double-digit losses as wins would be unacceptable by virtually any standard.

“Nobody likes it,” Coale said the other day of her team's record. “Obviously, we wish we were winning more.”

She looked across the court where some of her players were still working after practice.


“But we get it,” she said. “We know where we are, and we know this group, this young class, is going to grow up and we'll be better for it.”

The beginning

To understand why these Sooners are where they are, you must understand how they got to be so young and inexperienced, starting all freshmen and sophomores and having only two upperclassmen on the entire roster.

It began in 2015.

Only two players completed their eligibility that spring, so Coale and Co. only signed two players in the incoming class. Freshman Ijeoma Odimgbe was a project in the post while mid-year transfer Morgan Rich was a guard who was expected to help more quickly.

But then right before the 2015-16 school year began, senior Nicole Kornet decided to transfer. The timing left the Sooners short-handed, unable to fill her spot.

Early in the next season, Rich suffered a season-ending knee injury. Her health eventually forced her to retire. That cut the 2015 recruiting class in half.

Then after the 2016-17 season, the Sooners lost the 2016 recruiting class entirely. Chelsea Dungee and Nancy Mulkey, who had both played significant roles as freshmen, transferred out of OU in less than


Sea change

They were two of 25 players in the Big 12 that transferred after that season.

It was a sea change. In college women's basketball, players have always had the ability to transfer, but for decades, transfers were few and far between.

Not just at OU.

Marsha Sharp, the legendary coach, spent 24 years at Texas Tech before retiring in 2006. She had a total of three players transfer out and two transfer in, most notably Hall of Famer Sheryl Swoopes.

Currently, the Lady Raiders have seven transfers on their roster.

“It's been a real game-changer in terms of trying to keep teams together,” said Sharp, now an associate athletic director at Texas Tech. “It seems like because of that ... a lot of programs stay young a lot. You don't have some of those senior leaders because kids just kind of come and go.”

Talking transfers

Some programs have fought back by using the same transfer system to replenish their rosters.

But even as OU lost multiple players, they weren't replaced by transfers from other four-year schools. Right now, the Sooners have none on their roster.

Coale isn't opposed to bringing in transfers, but she is cautious.


“There are situations where yeah, yeah, we could do that and probably should do that,” she said. “But for me to feel really good about bringing a kid to Oklahoma, I need to know her. I need to know what she's about. I need to know if who she is is who we want to represent our program.”

Coale's recipe for success has long been about building people as much as players. She talks about making a four-year commitment to a recruit and “her journey, her becoming.” That might sound touchy-feely or quaint or even a wee bit antiquated to some people, but it's what Coale has been about from the beginning.

And her best teams have been products of that. Look at the 2010 team, and you'll see a bunch not expected to do much after the departure of Courtney and Ashley Paris. When Whitney Hand tore her knee in the fall, expectations dipped even more. But led by seniors Abi Olajuwon, Amanda Thompson and Nyeshia Stevenson, that team defied all odds and went back to the Final Four.

Granted, those Sooners also had Dani California. Danielle Robinson was splendid then and is splendid still, playing in the WNBA. But OU soared that season because of seniors who were in the pipeline for four years, who learned and grew and matured, then flourished when it was their time.


The right players

Coale wants players who seek that type of experience, and if she isn't sure whether a transfer will buy in — players often announce their transfers and make their decisions about a new school within days — she isn't comfortable going after a player who could be a good player but a bad fit.

“I don't know that I want to be (comfortable with that) because I don't think that's who we are,” she said.

While the results this season have been difficult to handle, Coale is actually more convinced than ever that her approach to building a basketball program is needed. She recently saw a study indicating the rates of anxiety, depression and suicide in female college students has increased nearly 200 percent in recent years. With social media and online worlds creating what Coale calls “a plastic life,” girls often grow up wondering what's real, what's true.


“I think more than ever maybe, athletics can serve the purpose of maybe being the last bastion to teach accountability, responsibility, discipline, high expectation, aspiration, all those things,” she said.

“More than ever, they need this.”

Strategic changes

Coale believes her system can still be successful even as the sands shift beneath her feet.


Now, she has changed the way she does lots of things within her program. The way she and her assistants teach. The technology they use. The drills they employ.

“But that doesn't mean at all a lowering of standards or a lowering of expectations,” Coale said.

She acknowledges the win-loss record is below the standard this season. Even though freshman Madi Williams looks like a star in the making, freshman Taylor Robertson is already one of the top 3-point shooters in the country and sophomore Ana Llanusa is stellar when healthy, there's little help when one of the youngsters has an off night. The team's two seniors, Odimgbe, the only player remaining from the 2015 and 2016 classes, and redshirt Gileysa Penzo, play sparingly, so inconsistency is rampant with this bunch.

The Sooners nearly upended mighty Connecticut in mid- December, then lost by 30 points at Kansas State only a couple weeks later.


“Yes, this is important,” Coale said, pointing to the court. “Yes, everybody wants those.”

She pointed to banners hanging high above the Lloyd Noble Center court.

“We want ‘em, too. As much as we want our next breath, we want ‘em,” she said. “But there are also other things that are really, really important. Like who these people become as a result of being part of this.”

Coale has coached players who became doctors and teachers and entrepreneurs and coaches, and she believes the players on this team will one day continue this program's legacy, not only off the court but also on it.


Even though a variety of circumstances, some self-inflicted wounds, some not, have left this group lacking against most opponents, there is hope this season will eventually be the exception, the anomaly before the Sooners start another run of excellence. Only time will tell if that happens, of course. Retaining all of these players will be important, but even now, Coale sees buy-in.

“I love their willingness to come in here and be uncomfortable and be pushed every day and to continue to wear that jersey,” she said.

She set her jaw.

“We're not going anywhere. We're gonna stay after it.”


Jenni Carlson: Jenni can be reached at 405-475-4125 or jcarlson@oklahoman.com. Like her at facebook.com/JenniCarlsonOK, follow her at twitter.com/jennicarlson_ok or view her personality page at newsok.com/jennicarlson.

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Oklahoma coach Sherri Coale is relying almost exclusively on freshmen and sophomores this season. A couple of small recruiting classes lost players to transfers, and because of Coale's hesitance to take transfers, the Sooners have been left young and inexperienced. [PHOTO BY BRYAN TERRY, THE OKLAHOMAN]
Oklahoma coach Sherri Coale is in the midst of her worst season since the early days of her tenure leading the Sooners. Heading in Saturday's game against Texas, OU is 5-14 and in serious jeopardy of missing the NCAA Tournament for the first time in 19 years. [PHOTO BY BRYAN TERRY, THE OKLAHOMA

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The real question is whether these kids are willing to stay around a losing program or whether they want to hit the portal for greener pastures. Do they to play basketball and win games or lose their butts getting molded into Sherri's ideals from the past. Kids have definitely changed with this current age group. I see it every day.
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The inference is there. Sherri is what Sherri is and winning basketball games is not priority #1. Her focus would be ideal for Liberty University. She appears to me to have lost the real pupose of teaching. Taking kids that want accountability, responsibility, disipline, high expectations, aspirations and all those things and developing those values is not the real challenge as a teacher/coach. The real challenge is taking those kid from environments (ghettos) were those values were not priority one and teaching them to a less disiplined core of talented basketball talents.

Changing the lives of those less fortunate kids by introducing accountability, responsibility, discipline, high expectations, aspirations and all those things will have a much greater positive impact on society. Taking those values back to the ghettos and becoming role models for change has much more value than expanding on what parents have already taught. Most of the kids Sherri gets now come from families that have already taught their children those values. Sherri is only expanding the development of values already in place and it likely is rarily needed for those girls to continue to expand on the value system taught them by their parents.

But my take is Sherri would prefer to take the easy road and approach having near 100% success teaching her value system than to recruit better talent that does not necessarily have the value system in place and instead deal with the problems of a 60-80% success rate. Her ego cannot handle the real challenge of doing her job. The challenge that most top basketball accept with open arms.

She kind of reminds me of the church that only focus is on the outstanding top quality Christians members forgetting God's mission is to save the sinner. And win a few championships along the way. JMHO.
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The inference is there. Sherri is what Sherri is and winning basketball games is not priority #1. Her focus would be ideal for Liberty University. She appears to me to have lost the real pupose of teaching. Taking kids that want accountability, responsibility, disipline, high expectations, aspirations and all those things and developing those values is not the real challenge as a teacher/coach. The real challenge is taking those kid from environments (ghettos) were those values were not priority one and teaching them to a less disiplined core of talented basketball talents.

Changing the lives of those less fortunate kids by introducing accountability, responsibility, discipline, high expectations, aspirations and all those things will have a much greater positive impact on society. Taking those values back to the ghettos and becoming role models for change has much more value than expanding on what parents have already taught. Most of the kids Sherri gets now come from families that have already taught their children those values. Sherri is only expanding the development of values already in place and it likely is rarily needed for those girls to continue to expand on the value system taught them by their parents.

But my take is Sherri would prefer to take the easy road and approach having near 100% success teaching her value system than to recruit better talent that does not necessarily have the value system in place and instead deal with the problems of a 60-80% success rate. Her ego cannot handle the real challenge of doing her job. The challenge that most top basketball accept with open arms.

She kind of reminds me of the church that only focus is on the outstanding top quality Christians members forgetting God's mission is to save the sinner. And win a few championships along the way. JMHO.
That is it, she has become the perfect fit for Liberty or Oklahoma Christian. I am not sure that she would recruit the Paris twins or Stacey Dales much less an Amanda Thompson anymore. Hence, more focus on the value system than the basketball fundamentals (turnovers like no one has seen before). The next question is whether this is appropriate at a state university like OU in 2019. The irony is Baylor (the Christian School) is recruiting the best players possible.
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After reading that article further explains Sherri's stubbornness to change.If she wants to recruit a curtain player that fits her style & values that is fine,but when her system isn't working anymore then get ready for criticism from the fans.What she did 10-15 years ago may have worked then,but isn't working now.
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Love her to death, but it's time for Sherri to pass this program on to someone who is willing to work with today's pool of athletes. Thanks for posting the article kimard.
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the buzzards are circling....
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I think everyone who read that article thought that it supported their position. I think she ended up with more questions than answers or conclusions.
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with Boren gone, Sheri no longer has the administration eating out of her hand. Gallogly won't put up paying her 1.2 million a year for 100K results.
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Buzzards lack courage. Usually, except for the king buzzard, they wait until the victim is dead or totally helpless. Got a king buzzard that wants to take down a Hall of Famer?


I suspect that you only have a few stalkers that may make some noise. The victim is neither dead nor helpless.
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Buzzards lack courage. Usually, except for the king buzzard, they wait until the victim is dead or totally helpless. Got a king buzzard that wants to take down a Hall of Famer?


I suspect that you only have a few stalkers that may make some noise. The victim is neither dead nor helpless.
Hall of Famer means nothing when it has mediocrity following it.You must earn your keep.Right now Sherri is not.
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Hall of Famer means nothing when it has mediocrity following it.You must earn your keep.Right now Sherri is not.
You opinion carries how much weight with the administration? They haven't asked a question of me in years. I suspect they are more concerned about the university's image than you are.
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You opinion carries how much weight with the administration? They haven't asked a question of me in years. I suspect they are more concerned about the university's image than you are.
They could care less about my opinion,but they love my $$$ that is donated.Image is a great quality,but can you not have a good image with a winning program????
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They could care less about my opinion,but they love my $$$ that is donated.Image is a great quality,but can you not have a good image with a winning program????
So, you want the university that terminated its program to be the first to fire a Hall of Fame coach? Image?
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So, you want the university that terminated its program to be the first to fire a Hall of Fame coach? Image?
Isn't it about time that we all quit using the old crutch of the "Program that was almost terminated"Please come up with some new material!!That was 20 years ago"correct me if I am wrong Syb,I am sure you will"In fact why don't you reach out to the 6-10 thousand fans that used to come & watch Sherri's teams play.Go sooners!!!

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Isn't it about time that we all quit using the old crutch of the "Program that was almost terminated"Please come up with some new material!!That was 20 years ago"correct me if I am wrong Syb,I am sure you will"In fact why don't you reach out to the 6-10 thousand fans that used to come & watch Sherri's teams play.Go sooNers!!!
I looked up the University of Oklahoma women's basketball program on Wikipedia. Guess what the first paragraph under History says..

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OU women's basketball began during the 1974–75 academic year. In March 1990, Oklahoma officials released a statement saying that the women's basketball program was to be dropped, after many years of sub-par performance and low attendance. Many people voiced their complaints and eight days later, OU reinstated the program.[
I mean, it's the first paragraph that anyone learns if they want to read about the OU women's basketball team. We had the audacity to terminate the program, waving a red flag in the face of the Spirit of Title IX.

Like that? You may want to forget it. But, it is the first statement that the world learns about OU women's basketball.
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I looked up the University of Oklahoma women's basketball program on Wikipedia. Guess what the first paragraph under History says..



I mean, it's the first paragraph that anyone learns if they want to read about the OU women's basketball team. We had the audacity to terminate the program, waving a red flag in the face of the Spirit of Title IX.[/

Like that? You may want to forget it. But, it is the first statement that the world learns about OU women's basketball.
I would suggest that the strong majority that follow OU athletics and OU WBB are not historians and don't give a damn about the first statement the world learns about OU WBBabout what happened in 1990 just like they cared little about the national championship Bob Stoops won in 2000. There focus is on what is my football team and WBB program doing today? What championships are they winning today? What changes need to me made to win the conference and natty. Fire anyone that gets in the way of these goals. Goodbye Mike Stoops, goodbye Tim Kish and goodbye Kerry Cooks. Next up could be goodbye Sherri Coale.

I would suspect that there are a hundred to a thousand OU WBB fans that would support terminating Sherri for every 1 that strongly supports retaining her long term.

I personally think she has earned a few more years to fix the problem. But if she can't someone else needs the opportunity to do so.

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So, you want the university that terminated its program to be the first to fire a Hall of Fame coach? Image?

Well they didn't try to get rid of the program, but Pitt did fire their HOF coach in April of 2018. She wasn't at Pitt when she was inducted but she was a local legend according to the news story I found.

From The Pitt News: "McConnell-Serio deserved to be fired. If Pitt wants to have a better women’s basketball team, the program can’t settle for seasons were you get blown out more than you win games. It isn’t easy firing a local legend like McConnell-Serio, but Lyke made the right call."
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I would suggest that the strong majority that follow OU athletics and OU WBB are not historians and don't give a damn about the first statement the world learns about OU WBBabout what happened in 1990 just like they cared little about the national championship Bob Stoops won in 2000. There focus is on what is my football team and WBB program doing today? What championships are they winning today? What changes need to me made to win the conference and natty. Fire anyone that gets in the way of these goals. Goodbye Mike Stoops, goodbye Tim Kish and goodbye Kerry Cooks. Next up could be goodbye Sherri Coale.

I would suspect that there are a hundred to a thousand OU WBB fans that would support terminating Sherri for every 1 that strongly supports retaining her long term.

I personally think she has earned a few more years to fix the problem. But if she can't someone else needs the opportunity to do so.

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I looked up the University of Oklahoma women's basketball program on Wikipedia. Guess what the first paragraph under History says..



I mean, it's the first paragraph that anyone learns if they want to read about the OU women's basketball team. We had the audacity to terminate the program, waving a red flag in the face of the Spirit of Title IX.

Like that? You may want to forget it. But, it is the first statement that the world learns about OU women's basketball.
It is always interesting about history. OU tries to eliminate the program in 1990 then changes their mind upon Title IX pressure. OU hires Sherri Coale in 1996 and history says that she saved the program so she can't be fired. There was absolutely no way, OU was going to drop the program after the 1990 Title IX response regardless of who coached the program. By the way, you would have thought the program was totally destroyed but Burl Plunkett coached the team to 22-9 and the NCAA second round in 1994-1995.

Sherri did a hell of a job turning around the program. However, women's college basketball is a totally different sport today than it was during the first half of her career at OU. As Sherri said in her halftime interview in the 2017 104-63 loss to Baylor "This did not look like a women's basketball game". That is right, teams are recruiting athletes that can physically play and like the article above states, Sherri wants a bunch of "goodie two shoes." The results are obvious on the court with Sherri saying after every big game, "it is hard to compete with 6'7" or 6'5"." If that is the case, she needs to go recruit a real big. Instead, she doesn't even run Summer camps for Oklahoma kids and possible recruits anymore.

As for firing a HOF coach, the general public will not say much because people expect more when you are making 1.2M or above. The biggest loss on the ledger sheet of the OU Athletic Department is in women's basketball and has been for a long time. I do not care what athletic teams that you are talking about, it is a performance world. If you go 5-27 or 8-24 and average attendance goes from 8K to less than 1K showing up, there is a good possibility that you will be shown the door. Especially when you see an article like the Oklahoman has written above that is attempting to divert the goal from winning not to mention the nepotism that comes with hiring your son whose wife is more qualified for the position. Shoot the Cowboys ran HOF legend coach Tom Landry out of town in a quick decisive move and he had a few Super Bowl Championships under his belt. The loss of Landry was quickly forgotten when they started winning again.

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I would suggest that the strong majority that follow OU athletics and OU WBB are not historians and don't give a damn about the first statement the world learns about OU WBBabout what happened in 1990 just like they cared little about the national championship Bob Stoops won in 2000. There focus is on what is my football team and WBB program doing today? What championships are they winning today? What changes need to me made to win the conference and natty. Fire anyone that gets in the way of these goals. Goodbye Mike Stoops, goodbye Tim Kish and goodbye Kerry Cooks. Next up could be goodbye Sherri Coale.

I would suspect that there are a hundred to a thousand OU WBB fans that would support terminating Sherri for every 1 that strongly supports retaining her long term.

I personally think she has earned a few more years to fix the problem. But if she can't someone else needs the opportunity to do so.

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You are presenting the message board version of this, which is curious in itself. If you follow the message boards of most schools, they are cheerleaders of the coach and team.. For some reason, the message boards of OU have usually been negative, complaint boards.

Historical? Too specific. Go read the Wiki article on OU. It is more indicative of what the general public would think than would be that of a message board. It is almost all Sherri.

1) began in 1976, one sentence
2) terminated in 1990, next sentence, just happens to be under history
3) the rest of the article is almost all Sherri Coale, as though the first twenty years didn't exist.

If you were to ask a fan of women's basketball in New York what they knew of OU, what do you think they would know?

I suspect that the message boards may be heavily anti-Sherri, Always have been, didn't like Courtney because of her weight. But, they probably represent a very minor part of the OU program supporters.
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As one that looks extensively at the message boards of the top national contenders (traditional blue bloods) in all major sports on a regular bases I can assure you they all are critical of there team and coaches when their team does not perform to the expected standard that the past and present coaches have established.

While far from the perponderance Saban got a few zingers from the Bama fans for his team's performance at the CFP natty this year. Fan dissatisfaction warranted or not goes with the territory.

In Sherri's case she has had some moderate success in the last 6 years. However compared to the standard she set 2000-2010 her team have been on a steady decline for the last 8 years while showing very few signs that a change is forthcoming.

Not now but somewhere down the line someone may need to declare "enough is enough". Hopefully that will never happen but the subject is worthy of discussion as it is on the minds of a multitude of OU WBB fans.
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It is always interesting about history. OU tries to eliminate the program in 1990 then changes their mind upon Title IX pressure. OU hires Sherri Coale in 1996 and history says that she saved the program so she can't be fired. There was absolutely no way, OU was going to drop the program after the 1990 Title IX response regardless of who coached the program. By the way, you would have thought the program was totally destroyed but Burl Plunkett coached the team to 22-9 and the NCAA second round in 1994-1995.

Sherri did a hell of a job turning around the program. However, women's college basketball is a totally different sport today than it was during the first half of her career at OU. As Sherri said in her halftime interview in the 2017 104-63 loss to Baylor "This did not look like a women's basketball game". That is right, teams are recruiting athletes that can physically play and like the article above states, Sherri wants a bunch of "goodie two shoes." The results are obvious on the court with Sherri saying after every big game, "it is hard to compete with 6'7" or 6'5"." If that is the case, she needs to go recruit a real big. Instead, she doesn't even run Summer camps for Oklahoma kids and possible recruits anymore.

As for firing a HOF coach, the general public will not say much because people expect more when you are making 1.2M or above. The biggest loss on the ledger sheet of the OU Athletic Department is in women's basketball and has been for a long time. I do not care what athletic teams that you are talking about, it is a performance world. If you go 5-27 or 8-24 and average attendance goes from 8K to less than 1K showing up, there is a good possibility that you will be shown the door. Especially when you see an article like the Oklahoman has written above that is attempting to divert the goal from winning not to mention the nepotism that comes with hiring your son whose wife is more qualified for the position. Shoot the Cowboys ran HOF legend coach Tom Landry out of town in a quick decisive move and he had a few Super Bowl Championships under his belt. The loss of Landry was quickly forgotten when they started winning again.
I hope you don't believe this. You must not have watched when Tom was inducted into the Ring of Honor.

And those of you eaten up about the salary need to get up to date. So much is spent on salaries today that hers is not all that out of line. I really did have to laugh at the poster who was acting like his donation level would impact the decisions about the program. You have no idea.

My guess is that a possible "next coach" will be brought in as an assistant in the next few years and will be groomed to take over.

We have two main problems this year. First no height in the middle. And second, no effective point guard. Too many games where your point guards have a 0 (zero) assist to turnover ratio is unacceptable. Especially when they also don't score much.

SC does seem to have issues that don't help with the current era of WBB, but it is not her religion causing them.
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