Next Year's Roster - Page 3

StoopsBros · 03-07-2023, 08:26 AM

Hill is one of my favorite Sooners since Buddy but...

If he wants a huge NIL deal, good for him, I hope he gets it elsewhere. Good player, inflated sense of self-worth (if true) but I don't blame him. OU's Andre Roberson (in a way).

Wouldn't be hard to replace.

Send the hate mail to: IDGAF@gmail.com

Also, Thune said Hill was walking away from basketball. Lolololol. No.

StoopsBros · 03-07-2023, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NAIA All-Star

Hill is one of my favorite Sooners since Buddy but...

If he wants a huge NIL deal, good for him, I hope he gets it elsewhere. Good player, inflated sense of self-worth (if true) but I don't blame him. OU's Andre Roberson (in a way).

Wouldn't be hard to replace.

Send the hate mail to: IDGAF@gmail.com

Also, Thune said Hill was walking away from basketball. Lolololol. No.

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And the portal doesn't open until March 13th for undergrads. There's going to be a lot of talent out there.

TEvans4Three · 03-07-2023, 08:48 AM

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And the portal doesn't open until March 13th for undergrads. There's going to be a lot of talent out there.

Does Evans get swatted on 80% of his layup attempts? If so, then I am in!

BoulderSooner · 03-07-2023, 09:04 AM

i like Hill a bunch but he is not a player you throw everything at to return ..

he is not going to get much better at this point he is an older player ..

and without the covid year he would be finished at OU in any event ..

Kewllane · 03-07-2023, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NAIA All-Star

Hill is one of my favorite Sooners since Buddy but...

If he wants a huge NIL deal, good for him, I hope he gets it elsewhere. Good player, inflated sense of self-worth (if true) but I don't blame him. OU's Andre Roberson (in a way).

Wouldn't be hard to replace.

Send the hate mail to: IDGAF@gmail.com

Also, Thune said Hill was walking away from basketball. Lolololol. No.

Came here to say the exact thing.

Would LOVE to have Hill back. Think he's a really good kid and would be important for us next year.

However, do I think he's worth a giant NIL deal? No, I don't.

And I'm not trying to hate on the kid. If he can get a giant NIL deal somewhere else, good for him. I don't blame him for taking it.

WichitaSooner · 03-07-2023, 09:26 AM

Hill would be a huge loss. If you only value guys who score 15-20 ppg, sure, you can dismiss his impact. But I think his value will be obvious if he goes to a good team. I won't blame him at all for leaving. And it definitely isn't fair to say he has an inflated sense of his value. He is one of the more unselfish players we have had in years, and I think there are 9 other Big 12 coaches who absolutely would tell you how valuable he is. Rebounds, can defend all five positions, capable of scoring 15-20 occasionally, gets loose balls, does all the "little" things. This one will sting.

And sure, there will be talented players in the portal. Outside of Grant, Moser has not shown an ability to land those guys.

WTSooner · 03-07-2023, 09:40 AM

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And the portal doesn't open until March 13th for undergrads. There's going to be a lot of talent out there.

There was a lot of talent out there last year too and we ended up with a roster that went 15-16.

If OU really does lose Sherfield, Noland, Hill, and both Groves, Moser is going to have to KILL IT in the Portal to not avoid another bad season.

We can like the young players all we want, but:
a) none of them are 4's/5's, positionally
b) they can't do it on their own

So we'll see how the offseason goes. I'm not going to speculate. Maybe with T. Groves gone Moser can get a better big man to transfer in. Collins isn't some program changer though if he is the guy.

I'll also go back on record that Cortes may leave. He just has to work through the mental side of being what he is at OU and in the Big 12, or going elsewhere where he can play a bigger role. That is what he battled last offseason, and ultimately came back. I'm not sure he makes that same decision this offseason.

hoopsaustin · 03-07-2023, 09:56 AM

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80% gone. Wants a giant nil deal.

Opinion only…

Cj, groves, grant, hill all gone.

I'm not very high on Hill. Hes been a frustrating player for me imo. I wish hed stay tho with our rough roster but he doesnt deserve giant NIL for being only above average. I wish him well

hoopsaustin · 03-07-2023, 09:56 AM

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Does Evans get swatted on 80% of his layup attempts? If so, then I am in!

hoopsaustin · 03-07-2023, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by WichitaSooner

Hill would be a huge loss. If you only value guys who score 15-20 ppg, sure, you can dismiss his impact. But I think his value will be obvious if he goes to a good team. I won't blame him at all for leaving. And it definitely isn't fair to say he has an inflated sense of his value. He is one of the more unselfish players we have had in years, and I think there are 9 other Big 12 coaches who absolutely would tell you how valuable he is. Rebounds, can defend all five positions, capable of scoring 15-20 occasionally, gets loose balls, does all the "little" things. This one will sting.

And sure, there will be talented players in the portal. Outside of Grant, Moser has not shown an ability to land those guys.

Eh, hes kind of a tweener with his height. I think hes overrated on the alleged little things he does. It may seem like more bc the rest of our team isnt very good and many are devoid of doing the little things altogether. I still wish he'd stay but hes not worth big NIL.

WichitaSooner · 03-07-2023, 10:21 AM

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Eh, hes kind of a tweener with his height. I think hes overrated on the alleged little things he does. It may seem like more bc the rest of our team isnt very good and many are devoid of doing the little things altogether. I still wish he'd stay but hes not worth big NIL.

I actually think his value will be even more evident on a good team. He could be a McCullar type at KU. Lockdown defender, and capable of having four or five big scoring games when an opponent is so focused on taking away the primary scorers.

Lots of people didn't value Manek till he was gone. Obviously no one saw Alondes being the player he showed at Wake. If Jalen leaves, I think most people on the board will be shocked to see how many really good programs want him.

BoulderSooner · 03-07-2023, 10:22 AM

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Hill would be a huge loss. If you only value guys who score 15-20 ppg, sure, you can dismiss his impact. But I think his value will be obvious if he goes to a good team. I won't blame him at all for leaving. And it definitely isn't fair to say he has an inflated sense of his value. He is one of the more unselfish players we have had in years, and I think there are 9 other Big 12 coaches who absolutely would tell you how valuable he is. Rebounds, can defend all five positions, capable of scoring 15-20 occasionally, gets loose balls, does all the "little" things. This one will sting.

And sure, there will be talented players in the portal. Outside of Grant, Moser has not shown an ability to land those guys.

if Tanner had a year remaining he would be more valuable then hill in the portal

and i love hill but him wanting huge dollars is an inflated sense of value ..

BCSooners · 03-07-2023, 10:27 AM

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if Tanner had a year remaining he would be more valuable then hill in the portal

and i love hill but him wanting huge dollars is an inflated sense of value ..

I have to disagree here. Hill is much more valuable than Tanner. I think Hill is probably OU's best player currently.

BanjoCharley · 03-07-2023, 10:30 AM

I'm sorry, I think all of the "He's not worth a big NIL" are on the edge of being arrogant. Several have used the phrase "Big NIL" care to quantify? Is that $100,000 or $25,000 or $1,000,000? We know nothing about his value in practices or in the locker room. Has he helped in recruiting? Did we need his 10 rebounds against OSU?

I don't know the answers but I suspect none of us do. Coach (not Coach Talk) knows, let him be the decider.

WichitaSooner · 03-07-2023, 10:31 AM

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if Tanner had a year remaining he would be more valuable then hill in the portal

and i love hill but him wanting huge dollars is an inflated sense of value ..

I don't think there is a coach in America who would agree. Tanner is a post player who rarely scores in the post, can't stay out of foul trouble, and isn't nearly a good enough shooter to stretch the floor the way OU wants. He also isn't a very good passer. He didn't have many big-time offers when he entered the portal two years ago coming off a career game. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that Hill will have a much better offer list.

And who said anything about a million dollars?

BoulderSooner · 03-07-2023, 10:35 AM

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I have to disagree here. Hill is much more valuable than Tanner. I think Hill is probably OU's best player currently.

advanced stats say Groves is the better player ..

including on Defense

OU's results with Groves on / off the court says the same

BoulderSooner · 03-07-2023, 10:35 AM

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I don't think there is a coach in America who would agree. Tanner is a post player who rarely scores in the post, can't stay out of foul trouble, and isn't nearly a good enough shooter to stretch the floor the way OU wants. He also isn't a very good passer. He didn't have many big-time offers when he entered the portal two years ago coming off a career game. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that Hill will have a much better offer list.

And who said anything about a million dollars?

Groves had a ton of offers out of the portal ..

he is a better shooter and passer then Hill ...

better offensive and defensive rebounder then hill ..

WTSooner · 03-07-2023, 10:39 AM

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I don't know the answers but I suspect none of us do. Coach (not Coach Talk) knows, let him be the decider.

Moser doesn't get to decide who and how much when it comes to NIL.

BoulderSooner · 03-07-2023, 10:41 AM

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Moser doesn't get to decide who and how much when it comes to NIL.

not "officially" anyway

Kewllane · 03-07-2023, 10:42 AM

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I'm sorry, I think all of the "He's not worth a big NIL" are on the edge of being arrogant. Several have used the phrase "Big NIL" care to quantify? Is that $100,000 or $25,000 or $1,000,000? We know nothing about his value in practices or in the locker room. Has he helped in recruiting? Did we need his 10 rebounds against OSU?

I don't know the answers but I suspect none of us do. Coach (not Coach Talk) knows, let him be the decider.

The fact that CoachTalk said "giant NIL" package makes me think it's more than what OU wants to offer him.

Based on that alone, I don't think he's probably worth whatever the asking price is.

I just don't see him being the missing piece between a good season next year and a bad one. And in the end, that's really what matters (at least to me). There's way too many other holes for me to feel like he'll be the difference.

Maybe I'll be wrong.

WichitaSooner · 03-07-2023, 10:43 AM

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Groves had a ton of offers out of the portal ..

he is a better shooter and passer then Hill ...

better offensive and defensive rebounder then hill ..

Let's see the list. He allegedly had an offer from Texas. Check out the other schools that were in his final three or four.

Not as good a passer. Three-point shooting is almost a wash, and Jalen has a much higher FT and overall FG percentage. Rebounding is of course going to favor him to some degree because of his height and position, but it's not a huge edge. And last I checked, defense is part of the game. Hill is a great defender, while Tanner can't defend without fouling and is helpless against athletic bigs -- which we will likely see again tomorrow. I bet you could poll every D-1 coach in the country and struggle to find more than a handful who would take Tanner over Jalen.

mict085 · 03-07-2023, 10:58 AM

I like hill and think he’s one of our best players. Unfortunately, this team isn’t very good and hill doesn’t make up the difference. I agree with Wichita in that, hill will have plenty of offers and could be a big piece on a much better team. If he goes to a good team that has talent and depth, he won’t have to shoulder the load and he can just do what he does best. He could be the missing piece for someone. I hope he returns but he’s not the guy you give a huge deal to unless he’s the last piece of the puzzle. At OU, he’s not worth a huge deal.

There will be a lot of talent in the portal that could make us a much better team. Unfortunately, moser hasn’t shown the ability to get that talent to come to OU. Moser had recruited some good HS guys but has mostly failed terribly in the portal. If that doesn’t change, he’s done.

TINY · 03-07-2023, 11:14 AM

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Groves had a ton of offers out of the portal ..

he is a better shooter and passer then Hill ...

better offensive and defensive rebounder then hill ..

Yes, Tanner was one of the more coveted players in the portal that year.

I like Hill and wish him well no matter what he decides. Hill wouldn’t garner near the offers in the portal as Tanner did imo. 6-6 defensive-minded guys who can’t shoot outside are not going to be that hard to come by in the portal.

BoulderSooner · 03-07-2023, 11:17 AM

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Jalen has a much higher FTand overall FG percentage.

except he doesn't

FT sure

TS% Groves .604 Hill .601
EFG% Groves .577 Hill .545

or just old school FG% Groves .523 Hill .507

argue if you want but don't make stuff up .

WichitaSooner · 03-07-2023, 11:25 AM

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except he doesn't

FT sure

TS% Groves .604 Hill .601
EFG% Groves .577 Hill .545

or just old school FG% Groves .523 Hill .507

argue if you want but don't make stuff up .

I made a mistake. Saw Jacob's numbers on the FG%. Would like to think that you wouldn't honestly believe that I made something up.

In any event, my point remains that Jalen is a much better, more versatile player. Tanner disappeared for huge chunks of the season. Hill has games where he doesn't score much, but he always defends, plays with a high IQ, and rarely plays under 32 minutes unless we are getting blown out and Moser clears the bench. Tanner plays barely over 25 minutes a game because of fouls and prolonged stretches of ineffectiveness.