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Old 06-05-2020, 12:38 PM   #26
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I’ve got a better question for the Trump haters. Why do you think Hillary should have been elected president? A quick Google search of the Clintons and their corrupt rise to the top of the Democratic Party should tell you everything you need to know about why I voted for Trump. Donald Trump is his own worst enemy sometimes on a personal level. I get that. But everything he has done or been accused of pales in comparison to Hillary Clinton and her sexual predator husband.
Hillary was not a good candidate, but this isn't a valid line of questioning. It's a deflection. We are talking about Trump. Not Obama, or Hillary, or George Soros, etc. This is classic Trump stuff... Always make the conversation about someone else. You're a good friend Ada, and I respect you, so please understand I am not being hostile or intending to be disrespectful to you.

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Explain it to me.
Let's use todays insane quote to illustrate that.

“Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, ‘This is a great thing that’s happening for our country,’” Trump said. “This is a great day for him. It’s a great day for everybody.”
-Donald Trump

He's hoping George Floyd is looking down after being murdered by the cops to praise today's job numbers. The things Trump is talking about there are job numbers. He honestly said today's job numbers are a great thing for George Floyd.

Guys, he's dead. He was murdered by police. It's not a great day for George Floyd. I can't even believe I have to say that.

He's tone deaf... he doesn't even understand the country he runs. He has no way to relate to normal people, because he's never been a normal person. Low African-American unemployment is great and all, but that isn't going to solve the problem.

On top of all that.... he didn't come out strong against white supremacist in Charlottesville... The famous "very fine people" line...

Trump also spent nearly $100,000 in advertising for bringing back the death penalty in New York to kill the "Central Park 5"... 5 black kids who were coerced and beaten by police into false confessions about a rape they didn't commit.

When discussing it, he said "maybe hate is what we need if we're gonna get something done"- Donald Trump.

"I don't see anything inciteful, I am strongly in favor of the death penalty... "I am also in favor bringing back police forces that can do something instead of turning their back because every quality lawyer that represents people that are trouble, the first thing they do is start shouting police brutality, etc."
-Donald Trump

"The problem we have is we don't have any protection for the policeman. The problem with our society is the victim has absolutely no rights and the criminal has unbelievable rights -- unbelievable rights."
-Donald Trump

The only thing more hollow than Trump claiming he is the best president for blacks in history, with "maybe" the exception of Lincoln (yes, he said that) is his big orange head.
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Old 06-05-2020, 12:55 PM   #27
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Hillary was not a good candidate, but this isn't a valid line of questioning. It's a deflection. We are talking about Trump. Not Obama, or Hillary, or George Soros, etc. This is classic Trump stuff... Always make the conversation about someone else. You're a good friend Ada, and I respect you, so please understand I am not being hostile or intending to be disrespectful to you.



Let's use todays insane quote to illustrate that.

“Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, ‘This is a great thing that’s happening for our country,’” Trump said. “This is a great day for him. It’s a great day for everybody.”
-Donald Trump

He's hoping George Floyd is looking down after being murdered by the cops to praise today's job numbers. The things Trump is talking about there are job numbers. He honestly said today's job numbers are a great thing for George Floyd.

Guys, he's dead. He was murdered by police. It's not a great day for George Floyd. I can't even believe I have to say that.

He's tone deaf... he doesn't even understand the country he runs. He has no way to relate to normal people, because he's never been a normal person. Low African-American unemployment is great and all, but that isn't going to solve the problem.

On top of all that.... he didn't come out strong against white supremacist in Charlottesville... The famous "very fine people" line...

Trump also spent nearly $100,000 in advertising for bringing back the death penalty in New York to kill the "Central Park 5"... 5 black kids who were coerced and beaten by police into false confessions about a rape they didn't commit.

When discussing it, he said "maybe hate is what we need if we're gonna get something done"- Donald Trump.

"I don't see anything inciteful, I am strongly in favor of the death penalty... "I am also in favor bringing back police forces that can do something instead of turning their back because every quality lawyer that represents people that are trouble, the first thing they do is start shouting police brutality, etc."
-Donald Trump

"The problem we have is we don't have any protection for the policeman. The problem with our society is the victim has absolutely no rights and the criminal has unbelievable rights -- unbelievable rights."
-Donald Trump

The only thing more hollow than Trump claiming he is the best president for blacks in history, with "maybe" the exception of Lincoln (yes, he said that) is his big orange head.
You're obsessed. Its sad.

Liberals always use the attack of no "whataboutisms", but do you understand how stupid that is? (I doubt it). That means no use of context, no use of history, no use of the other side's hypocrisy which shows that the original critique is hollow and not in good faith... how convenient to forward that argument. Its very dumb. I hope you'll think about not using it going forward given how asinine it is..

Turn off the tv. Go outside. Breathe in the air. Orangemanbad isnt going to get you. Itll be okay.

You seriously propose that the other side of America willingly backs "the anti-christ/hitler" and YOUR side is completely correct on everything and the other side is completely wrong on everything? How old are you? Lol
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Bringing up the Charlottesville stuff is a joke. Taken way out of context.
It would be like Trump saying that there are some fine people in the crowds that are looting
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Hillary was not a good candidate, but this isn't a valid line of questioning. It's a deflection. We are talking about Trump. Not Obama, or Hillary, or George Soros, etc. This is classic Trump stuff... Always make the conversation about someone else. You're a good friend Ada, and I respect you, so please understand I am not being hostile or intending to be disrespectful to you.



Let's use todays insane quote to illustrate that.

“Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, ‘This is a great thing that’s happening for our country,’” Trump said. “This is a great day for him. It’s a great day for everybody.”
-Donald Trump

He's hoping George Floyd is looking down after being murdered by the cops to praise today's job numbers. The things Trump is talking about there are job numbers. He honestly said today's job numbers are a great thing for George Floyd.

Guys, he's dead. He was murdered by police. It's not a great day for George Floyd. I can't even believe I have to say that.

He's tone deaf... he doesn't even understand the country he runs. He has no way to relate to normal people, because he's never been a normal person. Low African-American unemployment is great and all, but that isn't going to solve the problem.

On top of all that.... he didn't come out strong against white supremacist in Charlottesville... The famous "very fine people" line...

Trump also spent nearly $100,000 in advertising for bringing back the death penalty in New York to kill the "Central Park 5"... 5 black kids who were coerced and beaten by police into false confessions about a rape they didn't commit.

When discussing it, he said "maybe hate is what we need if we're gonna get something done"- Donald Trump.

"I don't see anything inciteful, I am strongly in favor of the death penalty... "I am also in favor bringing back police forces that can do something instead of turning their back because every quality lawyer that represents people that are trouble, the first thing they do is start shouting police brutality, etc."
-Donald Trump

"The problem we have is we don't have any protection for the policeman. The problem with our society is the victim has absolutely no rights and the criminal has unbelievable rights -- unbelievable rights."
-Donald Trump

The only thing more hollow than Trump claiming he is the best president for blacks in history, with "maybe" the exception of Lincoln (yes, he said that) is his big orange head.
And these are just quotes he’s made recently or about this specific issue at hand.
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Bringing up the Charlottesville stuff is a joke. Taken way out of context.
It would be like Trump saying that there are some fine people in the crowds that are looting
Did he say that?
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You're obsessed. Its sad.
What am I obsessed with?

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Turn off the tv. Go outside. Breathe in the air. Orangemanbad isnt going to get you. Itll be okay.
Not gonna happen.... I know you guys would love for everyone to stop paying attention to him and pointing out his absurdities, but I would say we should not rest until he is gone and not destroying the country I live in anymore.

That being said... I still play lots of golf, breathe in the air, swim in the pool, read a lot of books, etc. Thank you for your concern though.

If he wins the election I will likely stop paying as much attention, because I can't handle another 4 years of him and his people.

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You seriously propose that the other side of America willingly backs "the anti-christ/hitler" and YOUR side is completely correct on everything and the other side is completely wrong on everything? How old are you? Lol
Not what I think at all.
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Hillary was not a good candidate, but this isn't a valid line of questioning. It's a deflection. We are talking about Trump. Not Obama, or Hillary, or George Soros, etc. This is classic Trump stuff... Always make the conversation about someone else. You're a good friend Ada, and I respect you, so please understand I am not being hostile or intending to be disrespectful to you.
You missed my point, ABD. You asked in the beginning [paraphrasing here] why Trump loyalists overlook his faults as a person to defend the mistakes he makes. I’ll be the first to admit that he is anything but “presidential” way too often to please me.

Yet, in the final analysis voters have no choice but to compare Donald Trump with Hillary in 2016 and Joe Biden this year. You can’t separate the questions you want answers to from the reality voters will face in November. Don’t blame Trump supporters for the Democrats’ failure to nominate a candidate people like me want to support.
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You missed my point, ABD. You asked in the beginning [paraphrasing here] why Trump loyalists overlook his faults as a person to defend the mistakes he makes. I’ll be the first to admit that he is anything but “presidential” way too often to please me.

Yet, in the final analysis voters have no choice but to compare Donald Trump with Hillary in 2016 and Joe Biden this year. You can’t separate the questions you want answers to from the reality voters will face in November. Don’t blame Trump supporters for the Democrats’ failure to nominate a candidate people like me want to support.
There’s a difference between voting for Trump because you think he’s the better of 2 really bad options. But the OP was why do people defend or make excuses for everything he does & says.
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There’s a difference between voting for Trump because you think he’s the better of 2 really bad options. But the OP was why do people defend or make excuses for everything he does & says.
I understand the difference, BC. There’s a lot I don’t like about Trump as a person. He’s a public relations nightmare. There are times I shake my head in disbelief when he rattles on incoherently like a knucklehead who doesn’t realize how silly he sounds.

I also see the other side, the part Trump antagonists refuse to see because they hate him so much. His supporters aren’t blind to the unfair abuse he takes at the hands of the main stream media and the radical Dems who want him gone no matter the costs.

I could be wrong, but that will not bode well for Trump haters in November.
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Not gonna happen.... I know you guys would love for everyone to stop paying attention to him and pointing out his absurdities, but I would say we should not rest until he is gone and not destroying the country I live in anymore.
This mindset will do more to get Trump re-elected than anything else going. It's never giving him credit for ANYTHING that galvanizes the base into thinking its their cause against the world.

I can't remember the Rep's name, but he basically said it was his God-given quest to get Trump removed from office the day after he was elected. That's not representing your constituency.....that's pursuing your individual agenda.
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This mindset will do more to get Trump re-elected than anything else going. It's never giving him credit for ANYTHING that galvanizes the base into thinking its their cause against the world.

I can't remember the Rep's name, but he basically said it was his God-given quest to get Trump removed from office the day after he was elected. That's not representing your constituency.....that's pursuing your individual agenda.
Philosophically me and Trump are on different planets. That being said, to be fair, I will review everything he has signed and determine what I like. I think that would be a good exercise for a 105 degree saturday afternoon
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You don't think Obama has a cult-like following?

There is a freakin' gas station/convenience store named after him.

The short answer to all your questions is that I think it just represents the growing divide in the parties and country. Trump, given the the things he says, probably impacts some of the things you mentioned as much as anything. He kind of plays into being larger than life.

And on the conspriacy theory stuff, you mean like when the libs claimed 9/11 was an inside job? I find it MUCH more believable that the media is full of sh*t, which Trump has definitely shown a light on. Printing pictures and claiming they represent one thing, when they actually don't. The constant spin they put on things. And that is both sides, conservative and liberal media. You are in Tulsa, I find the Tulsa World to be absolute garbage over the last few years.

The media would be better if they simply reported the FACTS, and let the people reading interpret how they will. I don't need to read their spin on things, with their bias.
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So you believe he is a good man? A smart man? A wise man? You believe that he has a good soul?

I mean, if I hang pictures of someone up in my office, it probably means i greatly admire them. What do you admire about him as a person?
this is basically the exact situation with obama for the other half of the country

he divided the country like no one before him .. and that has just continued ..
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You missed my point, ABD. You asked in the beginning [paraphrasing here] why Trump loyalists overlook his faults as a person to defend the mistakes he makes. I’ll be the first to admit that he is anything but “presidential” way too often to please me.

Yet, in the final analysis voters have no choice but to compare Donald Trump with Hillary in 2016 and Joe Biden this year. You can’t separate the questions you want answers to from the reality voters will face in November. Don’t blame Trump supporters for the Democrats’ failure to nominate a candidate people like me want to support.
these are very much my feelings as well


also some clearly don't have the ability to separate what trump does with what trump says
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these are very much my feelings as well


also some clearly don't have the ability to separate what trump does with what trump says
I wouldn't say it that way.... I would say some care about who he is, versus the agenda he is carrying out. In a President, character is a big deal. Look at where we are right now, the country is ripping itself apart. I know you guys are probably experiencing this at work, with your friends, with your family, etc... It's never been this bad before.

I know who he is. He isn't a good man, he isn't a good person. And that matters in a leader.

I could make all the right policy decisions (which he doesn't) in a company I owned, but if I was man of poor intelligence, poor character, poor leadership qualities, etc my employees would not want to work for me. You all know that.

Mitt Romney knows that. George Bush knows that. Lisa Murkowski knows that. Colin Powel knows that. Shepherd Smith knew that... Chris Wallace knows that... General Mattis knows that. General Kelley knows that. The list is growing. He is a terrible leader, and I am not even really sure that is in question. You've got a former GOP president not supporting him anymore. I've never heard of that. You've got senators coming out against him. Others are staying silent, but you know they know.

As Boulder said, you guys seem to be content with some of the things he does, but as you say that the country is ripping itself apart.... This can't go on. He has to go. It's not a GOP vs DEM thing... It's him. He is the problem. He is pure poison, and for most people they aren't content with some policy decisions. Every president makes policy decisions that you either like or don't... I am sure I can find 10 policies from Trump that I like, and I am sure you can find 10 policies from Obama that you liked. That's not the issue.
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Look at where we are right now, the country is ripping itself apart.
Nope. You can't do that. It was every bit as bad under Obama when this stuff happened. Remember Ferguson? If it's different this time it's due to the passage of time, not who the President is or what he is saying.

Plenty of the same crap happened when Obama was in office.
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Nope. You can't do that. It was every bit as bad under Obama when this stuff happened. Remember Ferguson? If it's different this time it's due to the passage of time, not who the President is or what he is saying.

Plenty of the same crap happened when Obama was in office.
I am not referring only to the racial issues going on... Trump has turned the country not from Dem or Republican, but in Trump or not-Trump... He has his own cult, exclusively about him. Anyone who questions him, even with the party, gets torn up... He is the party. It was never like this under Obama... I literally have policies with friends and family that we can't talk about him, because its just too damaging on the relationship.... I know you know what I am talking about. I have heard LOTS of stories like that from other people.

And you ignored literally everything else I said.
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I am not referring only to the racial issues going on... Trump has turned the country not from Dem or Republican, but in Trump or not-Trump... He has his own cult, exclusively about him. Anyone who questions him, even with the party, gets torn up... He is the party. It was never like this under Obama... I literally have policies with friends and family that we can't talk about him, because its just too damaging on the relationship.... I know you know what I am talking about. I have heard LOTS of stories like that from other people.

And you ignored literally everything else I said.
I think you are seeing what you want to see. What policy of Trumps can't you discuss with family? The only thing that is really all that controversial is the border stuff. Unless you and your family sit around talking about American international trade policies?

It was the same under Obama whether you want to admit it or not. Obama Care was probably argued about more than any single policy in the last 2 decades.
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I think you are seeing what you want to see. What policy of Trumps can't you discuss with family? The only thing that is really all that controversial is the border stuff. Unless you and your family sit around talking about American international trade policies?

It was the same under Obama whether you want to admit it or not. Obama Care was probably argued about more than any single policy in the last 2 decades.
It's more about HIM, as a person. Trump supporters, even in this very thread, don't want to talk about him, they want to talk about policies. I don't know if thats because talking about his leadership qualities, what he says, his intelligence, his lack of character, etc is a losing argument for Trump people or they simply don't care, but these are most of the things you can't talk about.

He hasn't really done much as President from a policy perspective to discuss. He updated NAFTA but that hasn't gone into effect yet. He pulled out of Paris Agreement... He spent more money on the military... He chipped away at Obamacare... He pulled out of the Iranian deal.. He got into a trade war with China... He picked a fight with NATO... A lot of his stuff was changing or reversing things that were already done. I think it's dumb, but some think its good. The other world leaders know he is a clown. You see that thing with Trudeau the other day? Took him 20 seconds to answer a question about him... At the G7 summit, all the other leaders were talking **** about him and Trump went home early. He's a clown.

The biggest thing he has done from a policy perspective is the tax plan, which I personally think is a total disaster, especially when you are $22 trillion in debt. I get the concept.... I understand trickle-down economics... Lower taxes, encourages growth, then the economy grows faster, tax revenues go up (because people have more money to spend) as a result of said growth which pays down debt, and companies hire more workers as they grow, and with their prosperity they pay people better wages, offer better benefits, etc.

I get the idea, it's just not true.
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this is basically the exact situation with obama for the other half of the country

he divided the country like no one before him .. and that has just continued ..
Absolutely true! Obama divided the country like no other president in my memory. Trump is an amateur in comparison to Obama the master manipulator. He would turn on that smile and his supporters bought everything he was selling. They’re still doing it!
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this is basically the exact situation with obama for the other half of the country

he divided the country like no one before him .. and that has just continued ..
How did he divide the country more than trump? I know for a 100% fact he didn’t divide the country more than all other presidents before him.
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I am not referring only to the racial issues going on... Trump has turned the country not from Dem or Republican, but in Trump or not-Trump... He has his own cult, exclusively about him. Anyone who questions him, even with the party, gets torn up... He is the party. It was never like this under Obama... I literally have policies with friends and family that we can't talk about him, because its just too damaging on the relationship.... I know you know what I am talking about. I have heard LOTS of stories like that from other people.

And you ignored literally everything else I said.
same thing with obama amigo. Or bush

I remember vividly with Bush. EVERYTHING was his fault. everything.

Its been a constant dividing. and the media is a major player in it
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How did he divide the country more than trump? I know for a 100% fact he didn’t divide the country more than all other presidents before him.
100% fact eh?

Obama really ratcheted up the divide between races in the country. He played it and he played it well.

Remember the beer summit lol
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Nope. You can't do that. It was every bit as bad under Obama when this stuff happened. Remember Ferguson? If it's different this time it's due to the passage of time, not who the President is or what he is saying.

Plenty of the same crap happened when Obama was in office.
Look up how Obama handled thing & the things he said to the country vs Trump.
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100% fact eh?

Obama really ratcheted up the divide between races in the country. He played it and he played it well.

Remember the beer summit lol
Yeah you remember a little thing called the Civil War?

What was so bad about the beer summit?
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Old 06-08-2020, 03:26 PM   #50
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Look up how Obama handled thing & the things he said to the country vs Trump.
I don't have to look them up, I lived through them.

Obama was one of the biggest con artists I can remember. He played up to his supporters just like Trump does. The difference is that his supporters are a bunch of soft lefties, so that means Obama had to coddle them.

Would love to see the number of police shootings, school shootings, and violent crimes in general during the Obama years and during the Trump years. Despite what some of you suggest, I'd guess there is little to no change. You guys are seeing what you want to see.
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