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Old 06-29-2020, 04:57 PM   #401
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I went to their website... I see where they question the family, by saying "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."

I don't see anything directly on their page about anarchism or Marxism... Now, I assume you are talking about their leadership's personal views being Marxist. To me that is a legitimate belief system. There are many different variants of the ideology, and that belief in and of itself doesn't make them bad. Now, if they ascribe to overflow capitalism or the govt by force, or through violent revolution, that would be one thing... but if they want to use the peaceful democratic process to achieve certain goals, more power to them.

There are Marxist parties all over world.... Not just in China, Russia, North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, etc... but in democracies the world over. Look at whats happening in France right now... The Green Party, which is flat out a socialist party, is winning elections all over the country... Marxist parties have representation in parliament/congress in Norway, Japan, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, UK, Iraq, Germany, and many others. Very few are Soviet-style anymore. Really only North Korea is. Others have adapted, including China and Vietnam.

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Wow. Just wow. You’re defending Marxism.

This is history repeating itself. It’s not new. Marxism/socialism/ communism never work and eventually and predictably devolve into dictatorships with numerous human rights violations and subjugation of large populations, and slavery, genocide, etc.

You see this as a valid and legitimate belief system? That is what you would want in America?In your neighborhood?

HELL NO

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Old 06-29-2020, 06:00 PM   #402
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Wow. Just wow. You’re defending Marxism.

This is history repeating itself. It’s not new. Marxism/socialism/ communism never work and eventually and predictably devolve into dictatorships with numerous human rights violations and subjugation of large populations, and slavery, genocide, etc.

You see this as a valid and legitimate belief system? That is what you would want in America?In your neighborhood?

HELL NO
Nobody said anything about that... Come on man, be reasonable. The concept of public ownership of property, wealth, etc is valid. Nobody would advocate for the things you mentioned, regardless of economic system.

The point I was making as it relates to BLM is that if they have a Marxist political agenda as an organization, so what? You think they are the only group in this country that embraces public ownership of natural resources, wealth, means of production, etc? The progressive wing of the mainstream democratic party wants those things. The difference in the modern world is that guys like Bernie want the public sector to compete with the private, not completely replace it (in most cases).

The progressive wing of the democratic party, the green party, and apparently BLM all want those things.

That's the beauty of democracy and representation... the other point I was making is that other countries allow a wider range of viewpoints to have political representation. So sure, communist/Marxist political parties won FAIR elections in Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, Italy, Austria, Brazil, and MANY other countries... They were fair elections in democratic systems.

What are you saying? You want to ban thought? Ban political ideologies? Etc?

As I stated.... as long as its part of the peaceful democratic process, what is the problem? They aren't going to win a majority. In all those countries I mentioned, they have a VERY small amount of representation in govt, but they are still allowed to run.
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Nobody said anything about that... Come on man, be reasonable. The concept of public ownership of property, wealth, etc is valid. Nobody would advocate for the things you mentioned, regardless of economic system.

The point I was making as it relates to BLM is that if they have a Marxist political agenda as an organization, so what? You think they are the only group in this country that embraces public ownership of natural resources, wealth, means of production, etc? The progressive wing of the mainstream democratic party wants those things. The difference in the modern world is that guys like Bernie want the public sector to compete with the private, not completely replace it (in most cases).

The progressive wing of the democratic party, the green party, and apparently BLM all want those things.

That's the beauty of democracy and representation... the other point I was making is that other countries allow a wider range of viewpoints to have political representation. So sure, communist/Marxist political parties won FAIR elections in Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, Italy, Austria, Brazil, and MANY other countries... They were fair elections in democratic systems.

What are you saying? You want to ban thought? Ban political ideologies? Etc?

As I stated.... as long as its part of the peaceful democratic process, what is the problem? They aren't going to win a majority. In all those countries I mentioned, they have a VERY small amount of representation in govt, but they are still allowed to run.
I would ban Marxism in an instant. It is deadly and not peaceful.
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Old 06-29-2020, 07:01 PM   #404
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Nobody said anything about that... Come on man, be reasonable. The concept of public ownership of property, wealth, etc is valid. Nobody would advocate for the things you mentioned, regardless of economic system.

The point I was making as it relates to BLM is that if they have a Marxist political agenda as an organization, so what? You think they are the only group in this country that embraces public ownership of natural resources, wealth, means of production, etc? The progressive wing of the mainstream democratic party wants those things. The difference in the modern world is that guys like Bernie want the public sector to compete with the private, not completely replace it (in most cases).

The progressive wing of the democratic party, the green party, and apparently BLM all want those things.

That's the beauty of democracy and representation... the other point I was making is that other countries allow a wider range of viewpoints to have political representation. So sure, communist/Marxist political parties won FAIR elections in Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, Italy, Austria, Brazil, and MANY other countries... They were fair elections in democratic systems.

What are you saying? You want to ban thought? Ban political ideologies? Etc?

As I stated.... as long as its part of the peaceful democratic process, what is the problem? They aren't going to win a majority. In all those countries I mentioned, they have a VERY small amount of representation in govt, but they are still allowed to run.
Peaceful democratic process. Yes, I support that.

Unfortunately, BLM doesn’t want a peaceful democratic process. They have said they will take what they want, by force if necessary. I guess when they show up at your door demanding reparations for racial inequities, you’ll give them your property and your money to make amends for 400 years of oppression. Or they’ll take it by force. The marxists and revolutionaries in America don’t have any concept of history or intelligence. They want chaos. They don’t give a **** about a peaceful democratic process.

I believe in law and order. If we vote on it and follow a peaceful democratic process, then I can live with that. Violence and lawlessness? Nope.
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Nobody said anything about that... Come on man, be reasonable. The concept of public ownership of property, wealth, etc is valid. Nobody would advocate for the things you mentioned, regardless of economic system.

The point I was making as it relates to BLM is that if they have a Marxist political agenda as an organization, so what? You think they are the only group in this country that embraces public ownership of natural resources, wealth, means of production, etc? The progressive wing of the mainstream democratic party wants those things. The difference in the modern world is that guys like Bernie want the public sector to compete with the private, not completely replace it (in most cases).

The progressive wing of the democratic party, the green party, and apparently BLM all want those things.

That's the beauty of democracy and representation... the other point I was making is that other countries allow a wider range of viewpoints to have political representation. So sure, communist/Marxist political parties won FAIR elections in Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, Italy, Austria, Brazil, and MANY other countries... They were fair elections in democratic systems.

What are you saying? You want to ban thought? Ban political ideologies? Etc?

As I stated.... as long as its part of the peaceful democratic process, what is the problem? They aren't going to win a majority. In all those countries I mentioned, they have a VERY small amount of representation in govt, but they are still allowed to run.
Unfortunately for your line of reasoning, the United States Constitution was, in part, framed around individual rights and liberty including private property rights. Marxism is in direct conflict with these ideals. Marxism stresses the collective, specifically, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". And Marxism typically begins with revolt (like we see now), but unfortunately in many instances throughout the last century, these revolutions have eventually led to tyranny and totalitarianism.....in the name of attempted equality of outcome. You named off several countries who currently fit into this category.

As far as collectivism itself, I think it is morally wrong to steal from people (redistribution of wealth) even if you vote to steal from people. It is worse than jealousy, it's actually more on the level of envy (I don't think I can have what you have, so I don't want you to have it)......again, all in the name of "equality of outcome".

I would recommend reading 1984 by George Orwell. It's as if he is the Nostradamus of our era. Below is a cliff notes summary regarding one of the themes of his book:

By weakening the independence and strength of individuals’ minds and forcing them to live in a constant state of propaganda-induced fear, the Party is able to force its subjects to accept anything it decrees, even if it is entirely illogical—for instance, the Ministry of Peace is in charge of waging war, the Ministry of Love is in charge of political torture, and the Ministry of Truth is in charge of doctoring history books to reflect the Party’s ideology.

That the national slogan of Oceania is equally contradictory is an important testament to the power of the Party’s mass campaign of psychological control. In theory, the Party is able to maintain that “War Is Peace” because having a common enemy keeps the people of Oceania united. “Freedom Is Slavery” because, according to the Party, the man who is independent is doomed to fail. By the same token, “Slavery Is Freedom,” because the man subjected to the collective will is free from danger and want. “Ignorance Is Strength” because the inability of the people to recognize these contradictions cements the power of the authoritarian regime.


Now with a straight face....which side of the spectrum would be more likely to promote the above?

More on this tomorrow....I have to go to bed.
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This video is comedic gold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-cZG81-MPQ
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I don't think you will get anyone to disagree with the point of this post
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Another Trump thing that I like is Melania. She is too good for Trump. Such a weird relationship.
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Same could be said for Biden. What if cnn covered Biden the way they cover trump. The media doesn’t report the news, they attempt to influence for their own agenda. Both sides.
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FOX leans right. All other major media outlets lean left. These are commonly known facts.
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FOX leans right. All other major media outlets lean left. These are commonly known facts.
Doesn't mean its not comedic gold.
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