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Old 03-12-2019, 04:12 AM   #26
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So, why is it a different thing?

That is like saying yes she got to shoot 2 free throws when she was fouled, but this is different since she got to shoot 2 free throws when she was fouled.

I do not know if SC actually gave permission, but if she did (or does) it impacts the options SP has in her transfer. Same thing actually - if that rule carries over to WBB.
Because the Big 12 conference members decided they wanted that restriction placed on participating athletes and schools regarding in-conference transfers.
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:35 AM   #27
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Kendall's transfer was also different due to the fact he was a grad transfer and is eligible immediately.
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:28 AM   #28
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All student-athletes who have signed a letter-of-intent and grant-in-aid SHOULD receive a written release from their current college/university before they can contact other programs. There may be some rare occasions when a coach does not want to sign the release, but that was clearly not the case withe SP. Looks like the release was provided first thing Monday morning!

The NCAA and all conferences have guidelines.

NCAA Transfer Info
http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes...transfer-terms (Has not been updated...see link below)

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/...ontact-process

Big XII Transfer Info (pages 31-32)
http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410...028.1542663367

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Old 03-12-2019, 08:30 AM   #29
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Soonerfan3205 has had inside information about this situation. I don't know if the players would have welcomed her back. Similar to Dungee situation. Mulkey was a bit different. Emotional needs.
Hmmm... I don't have any insider info at all, but Shaina did post on Instagram to announce her transfer and both Tatum and former player Lanesia Williams commented that they love her and Shaina responded that she loves them as well. Who knows!
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:31 AM   #30
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So how does a player get hooked up with another school to transfer to? Do they have to make the call to the coach and ask of he/she is interested? I've always wondered how that worked. I wonder if Pellington already had a school in mind or if she is scrambling right now to find a new place to play..
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:42 AM   #31
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Seems like a very reasonable expectation of any coach and should be a general standard on most any team other than fun leagues for kids non-competitive games. But SURELY at the collegiate level and high school level in preparation for college play.

Coale was asked if Pellington had been consistently poor in practice over the season’s final month.

“For all players, the reason that they get to get into games and play is because they earn it in practice,” Coale said. “When you do get an opportunity to get in a game and play, then what you do while you are there determines how much time you get in the future, if practice continues to be very good. That’s the case for everybody.

“When you go in, do you do more good things than bad things? Do you make more positive things happen for your team than negative things? Do you make the people around you better? Those are questions that we always ask of everyone, whether they are a starter or coming off the bench. That remains true across the board.”


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However, it did not appear to apply during the 2006 Sweet 16 game versus Stanford. Maybe that standard was implemented after that game.
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:45 AM   #32
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I thought the conference rule was that without the present schools permission, a student could not receive a scholarship at another big 12 school for one year, but could enroll in any school she wants. Is this not correct?
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:45 AM   #33
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All student-athletes who have signed a letter-of-intent and grant-in-aid must receive a written release from their current college/university before they can contact other programs. There may be some rare occasions when a coach does not want to sign the release, but that was clearly not the case withe SP. Looks like the release was provided first thing Monday morning!

The NCAA and all conferences have guidelines.

NCAA Transfer Info
http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes...transfer-terms

Big XII Transfer Info (pages 31-32)
http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410...028.1542663367
I think the NCAA rules you reference are out of date. The attached NCAA link dated June 13, 2018 and posted by Michelle Brutag Hosick, Director of Public and Media Relations, NCAA clearly states:

Beginning in October, Division I student-athletes will have the ability to transfer to a different school and receive a scholarship without asking their current school for permission.

The Division I Council adopted a proposal this week that creates a new “notification-of-transfer” model. This new system allows a student to inform his or her current school of a desire to transfer, then requires that school to enter the student’s name into a national transfer database within two business days. Once the student-athlete’s name is in the database, other coaches are free to contact that individual.

Additionally, the proposal adds tampering with a current student-athlete at another school to the list of potential Level 2 violations, considered a significant breach of conduct.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/...ontact-process
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:51 AM   #34
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So how does a player get hooked up with another school to transfer to? Do they have to make the call to the coach and ask of he/she is interested? I've always wondered how that worked. I wonder if Pellington already had a school in mind or if she is scrambling right now to find a new place to play..


1. She can contact other programs where she has interest.
2. More than likely has done her homework to see where her position is needed and a scholarship available.
3. Other coaches might contact her high school or club coach if they have an interest.
4. Most coaches are willing to give a second chance when the student-athlete has had some issues.

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Old 03-12-2019, 08:56 AM   #35
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I see.

Well, I hope she does well, wherever she ends up. What are the odds she will end up at another Big 12 school? I would think she'd want to move north to a school closer to home. I could see her do very well at a mid-major school somewhere. Not sure I can see her at a powerhouse school on account of her poor shooting. Only time will tell.
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Old 03-12-2019, 09:01 AM   #36
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I think the NCAA rules you reference are out of date. The attached NCAA link dated June 13, 2018 and posted by Michelle Brutag Hosick, Director of Public and Media Relations, NCAA clearly states:

Beginning in October, Division I student-athletes will have the ability to transfer to a different school and receive a scholarship without asking their current school for permission.

The Division I Council adopted a proposal this week that creates a new “notification-of-transfer” model. This new system allows a student to inform his or her current school of a desire to transfer, then requires that school to enter the student’s name into a national transfer database within two business days. Once the student-athlete’s name is in the database, other coaches are free to contact that individual.

Additionally, the proposal adds tampering with a current student-athlete at another school to the list of potential Level 2 violations, considered a significant breach of conduct.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/...ontact-process
You're right. As usual...NCAA site is not updated. There may be some conference rules that may need to be updated to align with NCAA.
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Old 03-12-2019, 09:46 AM   #37
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The article you referenced may have been just poorly written by Eric Bailey and if so he should know better as he implied something that may not have occurred as the article linked below in The Oklahoman written by Ryan Aber suggest a different perspective. It merely says Sherri Coale announced that Shaina Pellington has decided to transfer.
Fyi, I asked Eric about this and he said that this was from the exact wording of OU's release. here's an excerpt from the OU release:

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NORMAN – Oklahoma women’s basketball head coach Sherri Coale announced Monday that sophomore guard Shaina Pellington has been granted permission to transfer.​
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Old 03-12-2019, 10:11 AM   #38
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Actually Pellington had the best assist per minutes played (.120) of any player who played 500 minutes or more. Tatum was second (.110). So much for the argument that she didn't play wll with others.

Pellington's problem was more that she forced shots when she should have either stopped for a short jumper or dumped off or even not attempt the penetration. Her turnover rate per minute played (.133) was also the highest among those players with Tatum second at .117. Many of Pellingtons turnovers we from forcing her penetrations.

The best assist per minutes player was Penzo (.151) but with also the highest turnover rate (.151). Robertson had by far the best turnover rate per minutes played (

It appeared to me that once Pellington was relegated to the bench she played with desperation with more turnovers, less points. Clearly by the end of the season her only alternative was to transfer if she wanted to continue to play.
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Old 03-12-2019, 11:31 AM   #39
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I agree to some aspects of this. I feel like when she knew she was in the dog house or steadily approaching it, she forced a lot of her offense. There were so many times that she would drive into the middle of the trees and throw up a random shot that had no chance of going in. A lot of our girls seem to do this though. Our offense could have been much better had we taken care and valued each possession. As a point guard I feel like you should look to distribute a lot more than what she did. Same could be said about Tatum and Murcer, although murcer at least has a good offensive game. Penso could have been a lot better than what she turned out to be with her passing ability, but sadly she didn't have the teammates with hands to turn some of those amazing passes into offense.

At this time what's left on our roster I think we have three division one caliber players: Ana, Madi and only because of her shooting ability, Robertson. Lampkin/Murcer have potential but we will see if they ever develop it. The rest of the players haven't shown me enough 2 warrant this analysis. I'm hoping that changes come next season.
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Old 03-12-2019, 11:51 AM   #40
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You probably have to add Mercer. She averaged almost 10 points a game and over 10 as a starter. She also shot nearly 50% from the field and 41% from behind the arc. Shot nearly 75% free throws.

Had a lot of turnovers but improved as the season went along. Had 19 turnovers in the last 5 games but also 37 assists and 7 steals.
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Old 03-12-2019, 11:55 AM   #41
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Interestingly Shaina's last game as a Sooner was against Iowa State before sitting out the final 5 games. She scored 14 points on 7/13 shooting, had 4 boards, 0 assists and 0 TO's. Not exactly the level of play that normally relegates you to the bench.
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Old 03-12-2019, 12:59 PM   #42
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There were several factors that put Shaina on the bench. One that Sherri actually did address on her show at Rudi's is that Shaina just doesn't want to learn defense. They get to the rim to easily with Shaina on the floor, a part of which is her refusal to learn the defensive rotation. No glory on defense.
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Who on this team does play defense? OK a bit of a joke, but I don’t think we play anything but moderate defense at the best and no one seems to excel at it.


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Old 03-12-2019, 01:19 PM   #44
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If you paid any attention to the post-game comments of Madi and Ana, they featured defense. They know the problems.
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I didn’t say they aren’t focusing on it. I jokingly asked who on this team plays it or coaches it.


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Old 03-12-2019, 01:22 PM   #46
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Just wish her the best and hope she's successful elsewhere with peace of mind. She'll probably show up again on a network in your neck of the woods playing the best defense ever.
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Old 03-12-2019, 01:24 PM   #47
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when iowa state scores over 100pts I don' think anyone is playing much defense. Too many girls have transferred out lately,& gone elsewhere & done well with apparently no problems.
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Old 03-12-2019, 01:33 PM   #48
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when iowa state scores over 100pts I don' think anyone is playing much defense. Too many girls have transferred out lately,& gone elsewhere & done well with apparently no problems.
Yes, that too! But until the powers that be want a change...I don't have to attend, send checks or watch for that matter.
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Old 03-12-2019, 01:34 PM   #49
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When you have some spare time, look at the Baylor and Texas rosters over the past few years to see how many have transferred out.
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Old 03-12-2019, 01:54 PM   #50
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When you have some spare time, look at the Baylor and Texas rosters over the past few years to see how many have transferred out.
Baylor & Texas can afford transfers,because they have someone just as good to replace them.OU does not have that luxury.Go Sooners!!!
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