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Old 01-04-2018, 03:28 PM   #1
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Appears Lon is trying to ease him back into the rotation. He was our best all-around player last year and I think we'll need him for his rebounding and inside scoring/defense to make a run in the Big 12 and tourney. What's everyone's feeling as to how long it might take him to regain his form from a year ago?
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:39 PM   #2
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Appears Lon is trying to ease him back into the rotation. He was our best all-around player last year and I think we'll need him for his rebounding and inside scoring/defense to make a run in the Big 12 and tourney. What's everyone's feeling as to how long it might take him to regain his form from a year ago?
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:32 PM   #3
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If this didn’t have a chance to be one of those special seasons ( final four) then Doolittle probably should have redshirted .Who knows ,maybe he was against it .
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Too bad he had to miss the TCU game. He could use every minute of playing time he can get at this point.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:50 PM   #5
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If this didn’t have a chance to be one of those special seasons ( final four) then Doolittle probably should have redshirted .Who knows ,maybe he was against it .
Doolittle isn't the kind of player you redshirt.
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Old 01-04-2018, 07:03 PM   #6
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at least he got some time at the 3 last night. and maybe the 5. couldn’t tell if manek or doo was at the 5 near the end. he won’t fix all our effort problems, but he will definitely help.
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Old 01-04-2018, 08:11 PM   #7
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If this didn’t have a chance to be one of those special seasons ( final four) then Doolittle probably should have redshirted .Who knows ,maybe he was against it .
And we have trae young.. you don't do anything that shows him that you didn't go 100%. Hopefully we gave another season but there's just nearly no way. So, no, you don't redshirt anyone
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Old 01-04-2018, 09:50 PM   #8
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Doolittle isn't the kind of player you redshirt.
Are you trying to say you know without a doubt he’s nba good and will never stay 4 -5 years anyways ?.......because he’s not even close to that right now .

Now he’s got an absolute star in front of him right now at his best position who’s only a freshman .

I’m not saying Doolittle doesn’t have a ton of potential, but hes a shell of himself from the end of last season .
He even looks smaller ,like he’s hasnt even been in a S and C program even on his own .His game and body look like he literally took 8 months away from basketball .

He needs court time but how’s he going to get it without injuries to others not to mention Big 12 play where blowouts will be hard to come by

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Are you trying to say you know without a doubt he’s nba good and will never stay 4 -5 years anyways ?.......because he’s not even close to that right now .

Now he’s got an absolute star in front of him right now at his best position who’s only a freshman .

I’m not saying Doolittle doesn’t have a ton of potential, but hes a shell of himself from the end of last season .
He even looks smaller ,like he’s hasnt even been in a S and C program even on his own .His game and body look like he literally took 8 months away from basketball .

He needs court time but how’s he going to get it without injuries to others not to mention Big 12 play where blowouts will be hard to come by
I think he’s trying to say that he’s one of our 5-6 best players, so you can’t redshirt him. He will continue to get minutes as the season goes along and he gets back in the flow. He got 10 points yesterday, and they weren’t really “late game blowout minutes.” He will play the 3 and the 4. We really don’t have a backup at the 3 with any size other than Doolittle. Odomes gets in foul trouble frequently.
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Are you trying to say you know without a doubt he’s nba good and will never stay 4 -5 years anyways ?.......because he’s not even close to that right now .

Now he’s got an absolute star in front of him right now at his best position who’s only a freshman .

I’m not saying Doolittle doesn’t have a ton of potential, but hes a shell of himself from the end of last season .
He even looks smaller ,like he’s hasnt even been in a S and C program even on his own .His game and body look like he literally took 8 months away from basketball .

He needs court time but how’s he going to get it without injuries to others not to mention Big 12 play where blowouts will be hard to come by
There's about 15 reasons not to redshirt Doolittle, and I'm not going to dive into every aspect, but I'll rattle off a few.

The biggest reason not to redshirt him is that he's good enough to contribute. I don't believe in redshirting legitimate contributors in college basketball (with only a few exceptions), and certainly not in a year where you have a guy like Trae Young. We're all in.

Second, it's really, really tough to get 5 years out of an NCAA athlete. Yes, it's possible Doolittle could try his luck at the pros before his four years is up. I'm not overly concerned about the NBA right now, but it's not out of the realm of possibility, and it's not unheard of for guys to try their luck in Europe. Then you continue on to the possibilities of him getting into trouble, graduate transferring, having a major injury, or my personal favorite -- academic problems. Maybe it's just me, but he doesn't strike me as the kind of kid who wants to spend 5 years in the classroom.

And then, of course, there's the possibility you brought up, where we're just too talented to have a need for a guy like Doolittle. If that's the case, then it's not going to get any easier for him. In fact, it's going to get tougher as Manek, McGusty, Odomes, and James will all be a year more mature, and we're adding Bieniemy as icing on the cake. If that truly is the case, then we don't want him on scholarship for 5 years; we want to process him through and free up the scholarship.

Doolittle and McGusty were a special pair as freshmen last year. There isn't a school in our conference, including KU, that wouldn't have been happy to have them. There were quite a few times last year when they were the only reason I was even able to turn the game on. Several posters seemed to have lost a lot of the excitement they had for McGusty until recently, but I think most realize that was a mistake. I think the same is true for Doolittle. Just give it some time.
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Old 01-05-2018, 12:25 AM   #11
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And we have trae young.. you don't do anything that shows him that you didn't go 100%. Hopefully we gave another season but there's just nearly no way. So, no, you don't redshirt anyone
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Old 01-05-2018, 06:42 AM   #12
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The biggest reason not to redshirt Doolittle is that he's one of the team's best players and the team needs every major contributor this year to make as deep a run as possible while Trae's on board. Wins this year > wins 4 years from now.

And Doolittle looked better vs. OSU than he did in his first outing and I suspect he'll improve pretty much every game. By the time the 2nd round of Big 12 games get started, he'll probably be logging 20-25 minutes per game.
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Old 01-05-2018, 08:40 AM   #13
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The biggest reason not to redshirt Doolittle is that he's one of the team's best players and the team needs every major contributor this year to make as deep a run as possible while Trae's on board. Wins this year > wins 4 years from now.

And Doolittle looked better vs. OSU than he did in his first outing and I suspect he'll improve pretty much every game. By the time the 2nd round of Big 12 games get started, he'll probably be logging 20-25 minutes per game.
very very doubtful he ever gets to 20-25 min a game this season .. maybe he gets to 15 min a game
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very very doubtful he ever gets to 20-25 min a game this season .. maybe he gets to 15 min a game
I respectfully disagree he will get more than 20 often down the stretch, time will tell.
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I respectfully disagree he will get more than 20 often down the stretch, time will tell.
so manek won't ???
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Old 01-05-2018, 10:23 AM   #16
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I agree with Boulder. It's gonna be tough sledding for Doolittle to get his PT up to a level that high. If he hits over 12 minutes a game by the EOS I will be happily surprised.
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I think there will be games he gets more time at the 3 than at the 4 based on info from Postman. Imho he will be one of our best 7 players by February.
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I think there will be games he gets more time at the 3 than at the 4 based on info from Postman. Imho he will be one of our best 7 players by February.
he has played what 2 min at 3 in the last 2 years .. and that was when both odomes and james were in foul trouble ?
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he has played what 2 min at 3 in the last 2 years .. and that was when both odomes and james were in foul trouble ?
He was recruited predominantly as a 3 out of HS, and played 4 based off of what our team needed last year. Doolittle and Manek shouldn't have trouble coexisting.

Regardless, even if he was a strict 4, and only got 15 minutes a game, I still wouldn't support redshirting him.
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Old 01-05-2018, 02:47 PM   #20
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Doolittle is to slow defensively to play the 3,that’s why he barely did last season .
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Old 01-05-2018, 02:49 PM   #21
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Doolittle is going through what the rest of the team went through in November and December - learning to how to play with a PG like Trae. He'll adjust just as everyone else has.
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Old 01-05-2018, 06:01 PM   #22
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Could OU play both Manic and Doolittle at the same time? Maybe he go small with Manx at center or big with one of them at the three. It seems like it would be difficult to play them together for extended minutes.
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I recall Doolittle playing at KU last year hitting tough jumpers and getting tough rebounds. I want to invest in getting that guy back before the NCAA tourney. Plenty of games before then to keep working him in. He will keep improving and as he does he will start getting more time.


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Old 01-05-2018, 08:17 PM   #24
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Doolittle has great rapport with Trae from their high school and aau days. He will be a completely different player in a month or so. Insane depth on this team!
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Could OU play both Manic and Doolittle at the same time? Maybe he go small with Manx at center or big with one of them at the three. It seems like it would be difficult to play them together for extended minutes.
Yes. Of course. They did so against OSU. It's going to happen more and more as the season goes along.

The game is changing. Positions matter less and less and the notion that Manek & Doolittle can't be on the court at the same time because they play the same "position" is disappearing from the game.

Kruger is going to want his best 5 players on the court as often as possible and, more and more, that will mean playing them together.
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