Capel gets another year. - Page 2

Mr.B!!! · 03-06-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy17

Can you say 18-12 playing in a post season tournament vs 13-17 and sitting at home?

Recruiting rapists?

Romulus · 03-06-2011, 06:01 PM

I was scared to death when I saw this title.

I'm glad it's just an opinion after reading it.

Sooner04 · 03-06-2011, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy17

From 81-82 to 2005-2006, OU was playing post season basketball. That is 25 years in a row. Under Capel we have sat out for 3 out of 5. That is the reason for the hot seat.

When it was broken, it was the longest in the country.

I gave him a pass for '07. I thought those guys played hard and made the best, or least close to the best, of a bad situation.

But there is NO excuse for the debacles of 2010 and 2011. The problems with those two teams are all traced back to one source: Jeff Capel. Not Kelvin, not TMG, not Tiny, not WW........not ANYBODY but Jeff Capel.

Mr.B!!! · 03-06-2011, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

I was scared to death when I saw this title.

I'm glad it's just an opinion after reading it.

It's not, you'll still get you're dinner :-)

Speedy17 · 03-06-2011, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.B!!!

Recruiting rapists?

It isn't like we don't have shoplifters!!! Don't forget that two of our guys celebrated the Texas win last year with a trip to Dillards.

That is everywhere!!!

Mr.B!!! · 03-06-2011, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy17

It isn't like we don't have shoplifters!!! Don't forget that two of our guys celebrated the Texas win last year with a trip to Dillards.

That is everywhere!!!

Totally the same.

Glad you are objective on this one.

HoHum · 03-06-2011, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.B!!!

FIFY.

Like I said, who has won more NCAA games? Capel or Ford. Two crap seasons in a row I'll give you, but last years crap season featured 3 MCDAA type players.

This crap season featured a limitedly talented team of DIII transfers and JUCO's and yet both were about the same...excluding the off-the-court drama. Why Capel is on the "hot seat" and Ford isn't baffles me.

Only one guy has been charged.

But, if it truly baffles you and you can't see why Capel's job is in a more precarious situation than Ford's, I don't know what to tell you.

Mr.B!!! · 03-06-2011, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by HoHum

Only one guy has been charged.

But, if it truly baffles you and you can't see why Capel's job is in a more precarious situation than Ford's, I don't know what to tell you.

It is baffling, how many Elite Eights has Fords made it to?

Speedy17 · 03-06-2011, 06:09 PM

Capel's job has nothing to do with Travis Ford. OU should always be better than OSU. Capel's job troubles come from those 25 consecutive post seasons that Sooner fans expect. He has failed 3 out of 5 on the job and with the current roster, next year does not look too promising since the schedule will be tougher.

Honestly, if OU was 18-12 right now, we would not be having this thread. Just remember, we couldn't beat Chaminade.

HoHum · 03-06-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.B!!!

It is baffling, how many Elite Eights has Fords made it to?

None, but he also hasn't had 3 of the worst seasons in program history! At what point do you stop countering the Elite Eight appearance against losing seasons? 4? 5?

Mr.B!!! · 03-06-2011, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HoHum

None, but he also hasn't had 3 of the worst seasons in program history! At what point do you stop countering the Elite Eight appearance against losing seasons? 4? 5?

At what point do you stop counting "charges" vs. mere allegations?

soonerwink · 03-06-2011, 06:20 PM

Seriously, why is Capel getting any credit for that Elite Eight season? First off, those were Kelvin's guys (including Blake who was coming here regardless when Taylor signed). Second, it is pretty well documented that WW came here because of Blake, not Capel. Third, with the talent he had, that team should not have been a two seed (and should have met NC later in the tournament). Fourth, had he been able to hold the original class together when he came in, we have Griffin, Reynolds, James, and Warren. Lastly, he did not develop WW AT ALL!! He did him a major injustice. Warren was a lottery talent that Capel made a 2nd round pick.

Capel can't recruit, he is a sub-par coach (right now), and was over his head when he took this job. So long, Coach, maybe you will succeed elsewhere.

Speedy17 · 03-06-2011, 06:20 PM

When you look around OU athletics, what sticks out.

Football - Big 12 Champs BCS Bowl Winners #6 final ranking.

Volleyball - NCAA Sweet Sixteen

Women's Soccer - NCAA Tournament

Men's Cross Country - Won Midwest Region and finished #5

Baseball - 14-0 and #2, and probably #1 next week.

Softball - National Top Ten

Track - Both Men and Women ranked in Top Ten

Men's Gymnastics - #1 in the nation

Women's Gymnastics - #4 in the nation.

Wrestling - #7 in the nation.

Women's Basketball - Top 25 and NCAA Lock.

Men's Basketball - 13-17

Who is on the hot seat and why?

HoHum · 03-06-2011, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.B!!!

At what point do you stop counting "charges" vs. mere allegations?

I don't think what Williams (allegedly) did reflects all that poorly on Ford. As far as I know, Williams hadn't been considered a malcontent, sometimes you just get burned. I may be one of the few OSU fans that don't consider it a strike against Ford.

But, what's the answer to the question I asked? How much weight does that elite 8 season have? And how many poor seasons would it take to cancel that out?

soonerwink · 03-06-2011, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.B!!!

My "boy"?

Okay.

Seriously???? WOW!! Are you really playing the race card on why we want him gone? Just....wow.

Mr.B!!! · 03-06-2011, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy17

When you look around OU athletics, what sticks out.

Football - Big 12 Champs BCS Bowl Winners #6 final ranking.

Volleyball - NCAA Sweet Sixteen

Women's Soccer - NCAA Tournament

Men's Cross Country - Won Midwest Region and finished #5

Baseball - 14-0 and #2, and probably #1 next week.

Softball - National Top Ten

Track - Both Men and Women ranked in Top Ten

Men's Gymnastics - #1 in the nation

Women's Gymnastics - #4 in the nation.

Wrestling - #7 in the nation.

Women's Basketball - Top 25 and NCAA Lock.

Men's Basketball - 13-17

Who is on the hot seat and why?

A guy never on the hotseat, lol.

We finished one game behind oSu in conference without any allegations of rape or playing a player in light of such allegations or shooting 50 FT's at home. Why is Capel on a hot seat and Ford isn't? Both are back next season so the point is probably moot, but I still laugh.

Mr.B!!! · 03-06-2011, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by soonerwink

seriously???? Wow!! Are you really playing the race card on why we want him gone? Just....wow.

lol!

soonerwink · 03-06-2011, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.B!!!

lol!

Dude, you posted it. Just pointing it out. Trying to understand why you think Capel should stay and it seems you are ready to call out those who don't support him racist. Just sayin.

Speedy17 · 03-06-2011, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.B!!!

A guy never on the hotseat, lol.

We finished one game behind oSu in conference without any allegations of rape or playing a player in light of such allegations or shooting 50 FT's at home. Why is Capel on a hot seat and Ford isn't? Both are back next season so the point is probably moot, but I still laugh.

Please explain to me why OU would compare their coach to OSU to make a coaching decision? Ford has nothing to do with Capel being on the hot seat. If OSU wants to keep a loser coach then power to them, it is irrelevant to OU.

Capel is on the hot seat because he is the only losing coach on campus and has completely broken OU's tradition of winning in basketball (ie. 25 consecutive post season appearances).

You must be a Longhorn or an Aggie who wants OU to keep Capel because I promise you, those fans want Capel at OU.

StoopsBros · 03-06-2011, 06:32 PM

So Ford should be fired for rape and Capel should be kept for losing. I understand now.

Mr.B!!! · 03-06-2011, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy17

Please explain to me why OU would compare their coach to OSU to make a coaching decision? Ford has nothing to do with Capel being on the hot seat. If OSU wants to keep a loser coach then power to them, it is irrelevant to OU.

Capel is on the hot seat because he is the only losing coach on campus and has completely broken OU's tradition of winning in basketball (ie. 25 consecutive post season appearances).

You must be a Longhorn or an Aggie who wants OU to keep Capel because I promise you, those fans want Capel at OU.

Or a guy who sees that out of nowhere he was forced to rebuild when he didn't expect to, and sees that he finished better than was expected in conference with lesser talent. But whatever, I'm totally a Longhorn or Aggie or a Race Baiter, whatever fits!

I compare him to oSu's coach becuase other people on this board do all the time. We split with them (without the benefit of 50 FT attempts) and played a better OOC schedule/. Fact is, Capel has to get it done next season, but he'll be here to do it!

Speedy17 · 03-06-2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.B!!!

Or a guy who sees that out of nowhere he was forced to rebuild when he didn't expect to, and sees that he finished better than was expected in conference with lesser talent.

And whose fault was this? I think every player on the team was recruited by Capel so if there are talent issues, it is on him.

If you think OU's talent level is going up next year then you had better look around. Nick Thompson had better stats in Juco then Robert Goff and that is our lone recruit. Yes, Osby is on campus but he only averaged 4 points and 2 rebounds at Miss State.

On top of this, Capel lost his assistant coaches in the past couple of years. Rod Barnes to Georgia State, his long time buddy Mark Cline left for Marshall, and Coach O (who did all the recruiting) of NCAA interest was let go. He replaced them with the video guy because no assistant coaches would come to OU.

Can you name our assistant coaches and their experience?

NickZepp · 03-06-2011, 06:49 PM

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And whose fault was this? I think every player on the team was recruited by Capel so if there are talent issues, it is on him.

A problem I have with the guys that are real pro Capel right now is that they think he has nothing to do with the current situation that he has basically built. If we win 10 games next year it still won't be his fault.

Mr.B!!! · 03-06-2011, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy17

And whose fault was this? I think every player on the team was recruited by Capel so if there are talent issues, it is on him.

If you think OU's talent level is going up next year then you had better look around. Nick Thompson had better stats in Juco then Robert Goff and that is our lone recruit. Yes, Osby is on campus but he only averaged 4 points and 2 rebounds at Miss State.

On top of this, Capel lost his assistant coaches in the past couple of years. Rod Barnes to Georgia State, his long time buddy Mark Cline left for Marshall, and Coach O (who did all the recruiting) of NCAA interest was let go. He replaced them with the video guy because no assistant coaches would come to OU.

Can you name our assistant coaches and their experience?

And yet with all that, we still finished better than predicted. No credit for that? None? I give up. Fuuuure Cappple.

Mr.B!!! · 03-06-2011, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NickZepp

A problem I have with the guys that are real pro Capel right now is that they think he has nothing to do with the current situation that he has basically built. If we win 10 games next year it still won't be his fault.

I knew this was coming.