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SoonerBounce13 01-19-2017 04:28 PM

Buzz Williams/National Anthem Respect
 
I love this idea

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SoonerTraveler 01-19-2017 05:05 PM

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As the son of a deceased veteran, I thank you for posting this.

Thank You.

StatGeek 01-19-2017 05:18 PM

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Awesome, this SHOULD be the norm!

Stikboy 01-19-2017 06:00 PM

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Oh, I gained a whole new respect for that guy after I saw that..

schoonerdriver 01-19-2017 08:20 PM

I was disappointed in some of our players in Saturday. The ones who bow their head during the anthem. Saturday was worse because they were holding the flag with current soldiers from Fort Sill.

Soonerinkc 01-19-2017 08:34 PM

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yeah, saw that awhile back...def a great example.

TheGimper 01-19-2017 09:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by schoonerdriver (Post 565016)
I was disappointed in some of our players in Saturday. The ones who bow their head during the anthem. Saturday was worse because they were holding the flag with current soldiers from Fort Sill.

What's wrong with bowing your head?

sheepdogs1 01-19-2017 09:33 PM

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There are no substitutes for respect and discipline.

garyeb2 01-19-2017 09:46 PM

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I am an honorably discharged and decorated combat veteran. I resent other people trying to impose their standard of what patriotism looks like on anyone.

chuckb 01-19-2017 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by garyeb2 (Post 565027)
I am an honorably discharged and decorated combat veteran. I resent other people trying to impose their standard of what patriotism looks like on anyone.

My father was also. 2 terms in Vietnam. He passed away recently and I can tell you emphatically that he would agree with this statement 1000%. And if someone else didn't approve of his standard of patriotism, he wouldn't hesitate for a minute to tell them where to go or what to do when they got there.

garyeb2 01-19-2017 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckb (Post 565028)
My father was also. 2 terms in Vietnam. He passed away recently and I can tell you emphatically that he would agree with this statement 1000%. And if someone else didn't approve of his standard of patriotism, he wouldn't hesitate for a minute to tell them where to go or what to do when they got there.

How someone acts at a ball game is a phoney display of patriotism. If you want to be a patriot, go pick up a rifle. If you don't have the stamina for that, write a check that hurts to the Wounded Warriors Fund. If you don't have the money for that, donate your time over at the VA Hospital. Whether one is standing at attention or picking their nose is meaningless one way or the other.

SoonerWarVet 01-20-2017 06:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garyeb2 (Post 565030)
How someone acts at a ball game is a phoney display of patriotism. If you want to be a patriot, go pick up a rifle. If you don't have the stamina for that, write a check that hurts to the Wounded Warriors Fund. If you don't have the money for that, donate your time over at the VA Hospital. Whether one is standing at attention or picking their nose is meaningless one way or the other.

Yes, yes, yes!!! As an OIF/OEF veteran, I couldn't agree more. I have many friends that think they are so patriotic, but yet when I try to get them to volunteer for a homeless stand down or other various events that benefit veterans, all I hear is crickets.

skyvue 01-20-2017 07:45 AM

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It also would have been nice if Buzz had just once mentioned women. There was a female veteran standing right there among the others being honored and he just kept saying "men."

SoonerBounce13 01-20-2017 07:46 AM

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I understand your guys' sentiments and appreciate you service and opinion, I don't think Buzz was trying to tell somebody how to be a patriot. He obviously saw his players just going through the motions of the national anthem and thought of a way to remind them why we have this custom/tradition. In the grand scheme, showing respect before a bball game isn't a big deal....but the underlying principal of respect towards those whom have served is huge.

MsProudSooner 01-20-2017 08:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garyeb2 (Post 565027)
I am an honorably discharged and decorated combat veteran. I resent other people trying to impose their standard of what patriotism looks like on anyone.

+1

schoonerdriver 01-20-2017 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGimper (Post 565023)
What's wrong with bowing your head?

It's as respectful as sitting or kneeling during the anthem.

MsProudSooner 01-20-2017 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by schoonerdriver (Post 565055)
It's as respectful as sitting or kneeling during the anthem.

So it's good enough for a prayer but it's not good enough for the National Anthem?

schoonerdriver 01-20-2017 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MsProudSooner (Post 565057)
So it's good enough for a prayer but it's not good enough for the National Anthem?

Apples and oranges.

I'm not going to get into a discussion about it. If you ever go to a basketball game, judging by attendance isn't likely, are there more people bowing their head at the flag or looking at it? Vice versa on prayers which you obviously won't get at an OU game.

BoulderSooner 01-20-2017 09:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by schoonerdriver (Post 565055)
It's as respectful as sitting or kneeling during the anthem.

as an OEF/OIF vet as well ... this comment is garbage ..

would I rather all of our American players salute the flag (as they should per federal law) yes I would but bowing your head is not = to sitting or kneeling

MsProudSooner 01-20-2017 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BoulderSooner (Post 565060)
as an OEF/OIF vet as well ... this comment is garbage ..

would I rather all of our American players salute the flag (as they should per federal law) yes I would but bowing your head is not = to sitting or kneeling

What exact law would that be?

chuckb 01-20-2017 09:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by schoonerdriver (Post 565059)
Apples and oranges.

I'm not going to get into a discussion about it. If you ever go to a basketball game, judging by attendance isn't likely, are there more people bowing their head at the flag or looking at it? Vice versa on prayers which you obviously won't get at an OU game.

Who gives a damn? Seriously. So we can look at the flag but not bow our heads? Vice versa? If we bow, do we have to keep our eyes open or can we close them?

The point of all of this is that no one should be judging another's patriotism based on that person not conforming to your (or mine, or anyone else's) idea of what "patriotism" should look like.

schoonerdriver 01-20-2017 09:51 AM

I find it disrespectful. You choose to do and think as you please.

chuckb 01-20-2017 09:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BoulderSooner (Post 565060)
as an OEF/OIF vet as well ... this comment is garbage ..

would I rather all of our American players salute the flag (as they should per federal law) yes I would but bowing your head is not = to sitting or kneeling

If you seriously think that there's a law requiring ANY American -- athlete or not -- to salute the flag, say the pledge of allegiance, bow our head, sing the national anthem or anything in any way related to any of those, then someone needs to familiarize you with the 1st Amendment to the Constitution and a high school government class.

schoonerdriver 01-20-2017 09:54 AM

No one has mentioned any laws. Morals and standard can't be governed with laws alone. Nothing wrong with striving to be good, decent, respectful individual.

chuckb 01-20-2017 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by schoonerdriver (Post 565065)
I find it disrespectful. You choose to do and think as you please.

Thanks. I will.

Here are some things I find disrespectful:

When I hold the door open for someone and they don't say "Thank you."
When the waiter brings the check before clearing the table.
When the waiter forces some of the party to sit and watch others eat because he didn't bring all of the food at once.
People who cut you off in traffic without using a turn signal.
People who sit in judgment of others without knowing the facts.
Telephone solicitors.
My neighbor who holds parties out in the street late at night, keeping my dogs barking and kids awake far past their bedtime.

I'm sure there are others.


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