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tmeyer3307 04-23-2021 08:24 PM

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It's kind of sad, but at same time it makes you appreciate what he's doing. Clearly BG can't explode or create for himself much anymore.. maybe just every other game he has that type of energy/bounce. But he seems to be the ultimate team guy.. taking charges, passing it well and honestly he's defending very well for a guy that was never more than average or known for defense. I hope he gets a Championship and gets a few more years at this level at least in the league.

NickZepp 04-25-2021 04:45 PM

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Blake with 16 points 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 1 block. Nets beat the Suns 128-119.

NickZepp 04-25-2021 11:25 PM

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Atlanta wins again without Trae this time over Milwaukee. They will be playing back to back games in Philly coming up after a game with Detroit.

Buddy scored 25 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal. He's having to take over more of a scoring role since Fox is out a while. Kings lose to the Warriors 117-113

NickZepp 04-28-2021 03:37 AM

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Blake with 17 points, 6 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals, 1 block. Nets 116 Raptors 103

BanjoCharley 04-28-2021 10:17 AM

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Looks like Blake is earning his keep.

NickZepp 04-30-2021 01:32 PM

Blake with 5 points 5 rebounds in only 14 minutes. Nets won 130-113 over the Pacers

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AdaSooner 05-01-2021 08:21 AM

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Buddy had what I call a bad night shooting in a win over the Lakers last night. He was 1-11 from the field and 0-5 from three point range. He has 6 rebounds 7 assists and 2 steals, all in 32 minutes of playing time.

Now, would one of you + - experts please tell me how the heck was he a +13 in that game? Not that it will make any sense to me. :ez-laugh:

WichitaSooner 05-01-2021 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AdaSooner (Post 679344)
Buddy had what I call a bad night shooting in a win over the Lakers last night. He was 1-11 from the field and 0-5 from three point range. He has 7 rebounds 2 assists and a steal. All in 32 minutes of playing time.

Now, would one of you + - experts please tell me how the heck was he a +13 in that game? Not that it will make any sense to me. :ez-laugh:

Because the Kings outscored the Lakers by 13 while he was on the floor. Didn’t see the game but based on the box score, looks like he played well overall despite the awful shooting night.

NickZepp 05-01-2021 08:34 AM

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Trae returned to the Hawks last night and had a decent game. 32 points 4 assists. But the 76ers beat the Hawks easily 126-104.

Max Power 05-01-2021 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AdaSooner (Post 679344)
Buddy had what I call a bad night shooting in a win over the Lakers last night. He was 1-11 from the field and 0-5 from three point range. He has 6 rebounds 7 assists and 2 steals, all in 32 minutes of playing time.

Now, would one of you + - experts please tell me how the heck was he a +13 in that game? Not that it will make any sense to me. :ez-laugh:

+/- is a stat that shows how the score in the game changed while you were on the court. So buddy being +13 means the kings out scored the lakers by 13 points with buddy in the floor. Game to game is a pretty useless stat but over the course of an 82 game season it can show who plays winning basketball and who doesn’t.

Stikboy 05-01-2021 09:54 AM

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I don't think it's meaningless at all. As a matter of fact, it's my favorite stat. It shows your true value as a player, because after all, isn't it about getting more points than the other team? Also, it shows the value of guys that aren't volume shooters/scorers and who do the other things, the little things. Like rebounding, defense, overall cohesiveness and glue. The things that aren't given as much attention.

skyvue 05-01-2021 10:28 AM

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Put me on the court with Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Shaq in their prime, and my +/- will be pretty high. Because I'd be smart enough to let those guys do their thing (and they'd be smart enough not to let me touch the ball) and whichever member of the opposing team went off because of my presence on the floor would hardly make up for the talents of that foursome.

I've seen too many instances where a particular player went off -- scoring a ton of points, racking up rebounds and assists and sometimes even blocks and steals -- but because he was the rest of his team stunk, his +/- score was lousy.

Maybe it has value over the course of a full season, but even then, it's too greatly affected by who the player's teammates are to be of much use.

BCSooners 05-01-2021 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by skyvue (Post 679357)
Put me on the court with Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Shaq in their prime, and my +/- will be pretty high. Because I'd be smart enough to let those guys do their thing (and they'd be smart enough not to let me touch the ball) and whichever member of the opposing team went off because of my presence on the floor would hardly make up for the talents of that foursome.

I've seen too many instances where a particular player went off -- scoring a ton of points, racking up rebounds and assists and sometimes even blocks and steals -- but because he was the rest of his team stunk, his +/- score was lousy.

Maybe it has value over the course of a full season, but even then, it's too greatly affected by who the player's teammates are to be of much use.

The best way to do it is compare the teams average +/- with the players average. You can also see each lineups +/- average on the season so you can see if a player has a hike or dip when he’s with certain people.

AdaSooner 05-01-2021 12:09 PM

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So, Buddy was the Elijah Harklesss in that game, the glue guy who played solid defense, rebounded well and made a couple of steals to have a positive influence on the outcome. That, I can understand.

What I don’t get is why all of those shots he missed didn’t have a greater impact on his + - score? After all, missed shots often end in a turnover that gives the opponent an opportunity to score, while resulting in zero points for your own team.

Your explanations definitely helped me to have a better understanding of the + - scoring system. I’ll stop there with a semi-positive thought and a sincere thank you for trying. :D

NickZepp 05-01-2021 07:06 PM

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Trae Young is playing well in the first half but his team is trailing against Chicago.

NickZepp 05-01-2021 08:31 PM

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Young with 33 points 7 assists and 2 steals. Atlanta dominated the 2nd half and won 108-97 after being down about 10 at the half.

NickZepp 05-02-2021 05:13 PM

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Blake with 11 points 7 rebounds and a nice put back dunk. Bucks beat the Nets 117-114

NickZepp 05-02-2021 09:06 PM

Buddy with 27 points 6 rebounds, 3 assists. Kings beat the Mavs 111-99

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NickZepp 05-03-2021 08:49 PM

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21 points 11 assists, 6 rebounds and 6 turnovers for Trae Young in a Hawks win over Portland 123-114.

NickZepp 05-04-2021 08:23 PM

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Blake with 9 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block. Nets lose to the Bucks 124-118

Buddy with 18 points 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block Kings beat the Thunder 103-99

skyvue 05-05-2021 09:52 PM

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Trae had 16 points, 12 assists, 2 rebounds and a steal as the Hawks routed the Suns.

Buddy had 16 points, 8 assists, 8 boards and 2 steals in a road win over the Pacers.

NickZepp 05-06-2021 06:41 PM

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Buddy seems to be taking DeAaron Fox's role as a PG now with his assist totals lately.

WichitaSooner 05-06-2021 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NickZepp (Post 679555)
Buddy seems to be taking DeAaron Fox's role as a PG now with his assist totals lately.

Halliburton is also out for the season so they’ve had to change their offense and Buddy has been handling it more, even though he isn’t actually playing point from what I gather. Nice to see him doing a good job with the added responsibility since ball handling has been a weakness for him.

NickZepp 05-06-2021 08:06 PM

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Blake with 10 points, 10 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal in a start as the Nets have some players out. Mavs beat the Nets 113-109

Trae with 25 points 9 assists Hawks trail the Pacers with around 5 minutes left.

NickZepp 05-06-2021 08:49 PM

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Trae finished with 30 points and 10 assists. Pacers beat the Hawks.


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