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thebigabd 11-19-2019 03:37 PM

As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
Is it more important to you, as a fan, that OU makes a nice NCAA Tournament run? Finishes high in the regular season standings? Win the Big 12 Tournament? Over an acceptable overall record?

For example... would you rather finish 5th in the Big 12 regular season but have a Sweet 16 run? Or win the Big 12 regular season but get bounced in the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament?

Of course, all fans want all those things, but what are the most important outcomes to you?

Eielson 11-19-2019 03:51 PM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
NCAA tournament is the most important thing. Conference standings are probably second -- closely followed by overall record. Don't care much about the Big XII tournament, though I'm frustrated by Lon's inability to have any success in it.

Stikboy 11-19-2019 03:52 PM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
Since i've been told we can't win a natty at OU, I enjoy these consolations:

Beating UT, Texas Tech, and Baylor(sweeps are delish)
Finishing over .500 in conf
Making noise in tourney
Road conference wins
Winning neutral site games against P5
Well heck beating Huggy and Self too of course
I would love to win at Phog before my son gets whiskers(He's 3.5)
Beat K State in Fun Hattan
Beat a so called Blue Blood in the NCAAs then see Bilas' DB mug

Man where do I stop? I have many more...

coolm 11-19-2019 04:15 PM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
noticeable improvement in the team from beginning to end of the season

Oscar Uniform 11-19-2019 04:29 PM

Natty

And if you believe it is impossible, you are right.

thebigabd 11-19-2019 04:41 PM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Oscar Uniform (Post 636921)
Natty

And if you believe it is impossible, you are right.

Sent from my SM-J337A using Tapatalk

Not impossible, but I will say it's more likely that OU doesn't win one in the next 100 years than that they do.

CoachTalk 11-19-2019 04:57 PM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
Ncaa tournament run.

Sure a big 12 regular season title would be nice but give me tournament RUNS!

Hollisp 11-19-2019 05:29 PM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
NCAA tourney run. The rest for me isn’t close to being important. It would be nice to win the conference I guess but I’ll take deep march runs over it every single time.

Reminds me of the biggest take away I had at the Big XII Tourney last year: ISU cares deeply about winning the Big 12 Tourney every year. It’s a top priority for most of their fans I interacted with.

scrybe 11-19-2019 05:54 PM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stikboy (Post 636918)
Since i've been told we can't win a natty at OU, I enjoy these consolations:

Beating UT, Texas Tech, and Baylor(sweeps are delish)
Finishing over .500 in conf
Making noise in tourney
Road conference wins
Winning neutral site games against P5
Well heck beating Huggy and Self too of course
I would love to win at Phog before my son gets whiskers(He's 3.5)
Beat K State in Fun Hattan
Beat a so called Blue Blood in the NCAAs then see Bilas' DB mug

Man where do I stop? I have many more...

Amen to that, brother.

BCSooners 11-19-2019 06:18 PM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
Tourney run
Overall record (varies based on SOS)
Big12 record
Rivals
Big12 tournament

skyvue 11-19-2019 06:35 PM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
I love success in the tourney, for sure, but I would take a special regular season over a tourney run. That gives us 4+ months of fun, rather than two or three weeks, and a tourney upset can happen to virtually any and every team, so in my eyes, it doesn't remotely negate a great regular season.

I suspect mine is a minority view, however. I don't really like the way so many folks only start paying attention in March (I'm not speaking of our fans -- it's across the board); that's one sure way to miss a lot of great basketball.

Stikboy 11-20-2019 09:32 AM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Oscar Uniform (Post 636921)
Natty

And if you believe it is impossible, you are right.

That beer you held for Chris Beard sure got warm.

MJSooner 11-20-2019 10:51 AM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
NCAA tournament success is the most important, so making the tourney is the most important. Best case would be at least a Sweet 16.

But also want to see improvement without the falloff the last two years, so maybe a .500 conference record would be a close second to the tournament.

Ultimate wish list would look a lot like Stikboy's and finally a win in Allen Fieldhouse.

sdcloud9 11-20-2019 10:55 AM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
NCAA Tournament run.....by far.

thebigabd 11-20-2019 11:26 AM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
Interesting responses.... I am going to go with skyvue more here. The logic is sound. The regular season is an extended period of time with many reachable accomplishments in play.... In-season tournament titles, conference title, top 20 rankings, a lot of media talk, hype, prime-time television appearances, etc ALL come from having a good regular season.

I would say that is better than being average during the year, not having much hype or attention, etc but making a Sweet 16 or Elite 8 run.

I would add to that, even if you make a nice run in the NCAA Tournament, but your team was average, people would discredit it for many reasons... Oh they just got good matchups, the better team they played couldn't hit anything, some guy was hurt, etc. It doesn't necessarily provide proof that you are a good team, but rather circumstances were favorable.

CoachTalk 11-20-2019 11:31 AM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
shocks me this is even an ?

sky and abd...

Without looking it up... what was our big 12 record for the last 2 years we went to the final 4?

I bet you can't tell me...

This brings me back to football, Id rather lose in the playoff than win any other bowl every single year. At least we were playing for a chance to win it all.

thebigabd 11-20-2019 11:35 AM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachTalk (Post 636959)
shocks me this is even an ?

sky and abd...

Without looking it up... what was our big 12 record for the last 2 years we went to the final 4?

I bet you can't tell me...

This brings me back to football, Id rather lose in the playoff than win any other bowl every single year. At least we were playing for a chance to win it all.

You are asking the wrong question... that's like asking me to recall off the top of my head who OU played in the Final 4 run in every round, to which I would say, I have no idea. Doesn't mean it wasn't important, but remembering the team went to a Final 4 is easier to remember than specific details about the season.

BCSooners 11-20-2019 12:31 PM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
Unless you're a blue blood, usually making the tournament means you had a solid season. Maybe you didn't play to your preseason expectations, but still had solid wins throughout.

CoachTalk 11-20-2019 12:56 PM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thebigabd (Post 636960)
You are asking the wrong question... that's like asking me to recall off the top of my head who OU played in the Final 4 run in every round, to which I would say, I have no idea. Doesn't mean it wasn't important, but remembering the team went to a Final 4 is easier to remember than specific details about the season.

Im just asking... Your opinion so Im not here to say its wrong.

So you enjoy the journey not the end result? I respect that just see it differently...

Sooner04 11-20-2019 01:09 PM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
The advancement in the program. That matters most to me. Are we building? Or are we treading water? Are we losing touch with the upper echelon of the conference?

Does a win in the tourney mask sufficiently mask program flaws? Drubbing Ole Miss was great, but I'm getting tired of being an also-ran in the conference race. Playing in the Round of 32 is great, but I'm tired of Kansas City faceplants.

If deep runs in the NCAA Tournament are all that matter then we have to acknowledge that Texas Tech is miles ahead of us now. I'd like to see us cut down a net every once in a while like K-State did last year. Iowa State owns the Sprint Center. We used to be the LAST team anybody wanted to see in Kansas City. Now we're a free pass to the next round.

WTSooner 11-20-2019 01:34 PM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
Consistency. The biggest turnoff to me in terms of OU basketball over the last decade has been the inconsistency within the program. I loved how Kelvin had us Dancing every year (but one). I liked knowing that going into a season, "if" we would make the tournament wasn't really the question. My expectation for the program is basically what Kelvin was able to accomplish. Consistently in the Tournament. Consistently in the top 4-5 of the Big 12. I prefer better Tournament results than Kelvin gave us, but that is mostly reflective of his earlier years. Perfectly content with what he did after that.

But those terrible seasons and missed Tournament years haunt me. Takes the joy out of supporting our program.

WTSooner 11-20-2019 01:36 PM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
nm

WichitaSooner 11-20-2019 01:38 PM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WTSooner (Post 636964)
Consistency. The biggest turnoff to me in terms of OU basketball over the last decade has been the inconsistency within the program. I loved how Kelvin had us Dancing every year (but one). I liked knowing that going into a season, "if" we would make the tournament wasn't really the question. My expectation for the program is basically what Kelvin was able to accomplish. Consistently in the Tournament. Consistently in the top 4-5 of the Big 12. I prefer better Tournament results than Kelvin gave us, but that is mostly reflective of his earlier years. Perfectly content with what he did after that.

But those terrible seasons and missed Tournament years haunt me. Takes the joy out of supporting our program.

We've missed the tourney once in the past seven years. So Lon has accomplished the very thing you list as your primary concern.

WTSooner 11-20-2019 01:49 PM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WichitaSooner (Post 636967)
We've missed the tourney once in the past seven years. So Lon has accomplished the very thing you list as your primary concern.

We've also missed 4 of the last 10. And the last two years, while getting in, it's been by the skin of our teeth while finishing below .500 in league play each year.

Hardly the measure of a consistent program.

Abe 11-20-2019 01:57 PM

Re: As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?
 
Tourney run
Finish in top 3 of Big 12
Win Big 12
Beat Osu, then Texas then KU


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