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sybarite 07-30-2019 03:47 PM

Best player in the history of the state
 
I read through a Facebook post last night that listed the best basketball player coming from each state. I was rather surprised that they listed Price of Georgia Tech as the best ever from Oklahoma.

But, I was pleasantly surprised that the best player from quite a few states were women. I can remember Elena Delle Donne from Delaware, Diana Taurisi from California, Jordan Hooper (?) from Nebraska, and Sheryl Swoopes from Texas. I think the best ever from Vermont, Missouri, and one of the Dakotas was a woman.

ByronHoustonsSweatyPalms 07-31-2019 07:52 AM

Id say Waymon. End of story.


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SoonerSpock 07-31-2019 09:21 AM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
At the college level there was no comparison between Wayman and Mark. Mark Price was a 2 time All American and 4 time All ACC. Wayman was a 3 time All American, 3 time Big 12 POY and is in the College Basketball Hall of Fame.

On the professional level both played 12 years and Mark was a 4 time NBA All-Star. Wayman was never an all-Star in the NBA. Advantage Mark Price. Mark also has a 19 year coaching career while Wayman did not coach.

I guess there is a case for both players. Wayman was the better college player and Mark was the better NBA player.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Price

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayman_Tisdale

SuperHoops 07-31-2019 12:03 PM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Marques Haynes

SoonerSpock 07-31-2019 12:22 PM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Maybe the best professional player to never play in the NBA. But never really played against the competition of D-I college basketball or the NBA professionally so difficult to put him at the very top. JMHO.

sybarite 07-31-2019 02:33 PM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Names that I don't remember seeing on the list: Jabbar and Chamberlain.

Eielson 07-31-2019 04:17 PM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Blake.

inoref 07-31-2019 05:46 PM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Alvan Adams was decent too..maybe not the best but should in mention

rocjunkie 08-01-2019 07:47 AM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
I have seen a lot in my day, but the two that stood out to me was Wayman, and Alvin in that order.

One More Rebound 08-01-2019 08:18 AM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by inoref (Post 633789)
Alvan Adams was decent too..maybe not the best but should in mention

Alvan's debut was a 34 point 25 rebound game.

SoonerSpock 08-01-2019 08:22 AM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rocjunkie (Post 633810)
I have seen a lot in my day, but the two that stood out to me was Wayman, and Alvin in that order.

Among those I have seen they would be my picks too.

j2d2 08-01-2019 08:41 AM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SoonerSpock (Post 633815)
Among those I have seen they would be my picks too.

No doubt.

soonerstar 08-01-2019 09:06 AM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Crystal Robinson of Atoka, SOSU, and WNBA.

sybarite 08-01-2019 10:05 AM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by One More Rebound (Post 633814)
Alvan's debut was a 34 point 25 rebound game.

He set the rebound record in his first game at OU, 34 points, 28 rebounds. I was there, in the balcony over the door.

I think Tisdale and Adams were 1 and 1a, different types. Tisdale was better underneath the basket. Adams, as his pro career demonstrated, was as good as a high post/point guard position as he was under the basket. I don't know how many times he hit Pritchard in the back of the head with passes until Bob finally got the message to look for the pass if he was open under the basket with Alvan at the free throw line.

keysersose 08-01-2019 10:50 AM

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I checked once and in their NBA statistics for points and rebounds, Adams and Tisdale were almost identical. If I had to pick one, I'd pick Adams, as he had a more diverse skill set.

Eielson 08-05-2019 05:52 AM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by keysersose (Post 633831)
I checked once and in their NBA statistics for points and rebounds, Adams and Tisdale were almost identical. If I had to pick one, I'd pick Adams, as he had a more diverse skill set.

Did you compare their numbers to Blake's?

SoonerSpock 08-05-2019 07:07 AM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Wayman played about 240 more games than has Blake and Alvin about 350 more games. But Blake's averages in the NBA far exceeds both Alvin and Wayman by about 6.5 p/g and 3.0 r/g.

Ultimately Blake's career is going to be much better than Wayman and Alvin barring a career ending injury. To date Adams scored about 1,500 more points and about 700 more rebounds.

https://www.basketball-reference.com...griffbl01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com...tisdawa01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com...adamsal01.html

ByronHoustonsSweatyPalms 08-05-2019 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inoref (Post 633789)
Alvan Adams was decent too..maybe not the best but should in mention



Alvin had the best NBA career


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Eielson 08-11-2019 04:28 AM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ByronHoustonsSweatyPalms (Post 633935)
Alvin had the best NBA career


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He's not even close to Blake.

SoonerSpock 08-11-2019 05:33 AM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eielson (Post 634035)
He's not even close to Blake.

Blake has better averages but Alvin to date had 700 more total career points, 1,500 more rebounds, 500 more blocks and 1,300 more assist for his career.

It might be a just little early to just declare Blake the best. Give Blake another 3-4 years.But his time is coming barring injury or early retirement although he will never catch Alvin in blocks or assist.

https://www.basketball-reference.com...tml#all_totals

https://www.basketball-reference.com...tml#all_totals

sybarite 08-11-2019 06:30 AM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eielson (Post 634035)
He's not even close to Blake.

You probably want to read about Adams. He took his team to the NBA finals his rookie year. Blake hasn't been there yet. Alvan made a team better.

Eielson 08-12-2019 06:24 AM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sybarite (Post 634037)
You probably want to read about Adams. He took his team to the NBA finals his rookie year. Blake hasn't been there yet. Alvan made a team better.

Oh I know who he is. He was a phenomenal rookie. Just like Blake, he went to the all-star game. Unfortunately, unlike Blake, he never went back.

Eielson 08-12-2019 06:35 AM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SoonerSpock (Post 634036)
Blake has better averages but Alvin to date had 700 more total career points, 1,500 more rebounds, 500 more blocks and 1,300 more assist for his career.

It might be a just little early to just declare Blake the best. Give Blake another 3-4 years.But his time is coming barring injury or early retirement although he will never catch Alvin in blocks or assist.

https://www.basketball-reference.com...tml#all_totals

https://www.basketball-reference.com...tml#all_totals

Blake had a stranglehold on best NBA career a long time ago. If I'm not mistaken, Blake doubled our all-star appearances by year 2, and tripled them by year 4. He's now quadrupled them, and I think he has 1 or 2 left. Off memory, I think Adams and Mookie are the only other all-stars we've ever produced.

I don't care much for career totals. Give me one top 5 season over a decade of mediocrity. Landry Jones may have the most career passing yards at OU, but nobody pretends he's the best to sling it.

SoonerSpock 08-12-2019 08:12 AM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eielson (Post 634040)
Blake had a stranglehold on best NBA career a long time ago. If I'm not mistaken, Blake doubled our all-star appearances by year 2, and tripled them by year 4. He's now quadrupled them, and I think he has 1 or 2 left. Off memory, I think Adams and Mookie are the only other all-stars we've ever produced.

I don't care much for career totals. Give me one top 5 season over a decade of mediocrity. Landry Jones may have the most career passing yards at OU, but nobody pretends he's the best to sling it.

True but give a list of OU QB's with a better pro career. Perhaps he could sling it better than you give him credit. His teams did win 40 games in 4 seasons and 2 conference championships.

Also pressure on the QB could have had a major impact on Landry because of an absence of a running game. He had two seasons in which the Sooners averaged 3.3 and 3.6 yards per rushing attempts. Sam's last two full seasons they averaged 4.7 and 4.8. Also in Baker's 3 years they averaged 5.0, 5.4 and 5.6 y/ra and last year under Kyler it was 6.6.

It was easy to unload on Landry with his OL and no running game. His career rushing yardage was a -375.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...homa/2009.html

Eielson 08-12-2019 08:51 AM

Re: Best player in the history of the state
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SoonerSpock (Post 634043)
True but give a list of OU QB's with a better pro career. Perhaps he could sling it better than you give him credit. His teams did win 40 games in 4 seasons and 2 conference championships.

Also pressure on the QB could have had a major impact on Landry because of an absence of a running game. He had two seasons in which the Sooners averaged 3.3 and 3.6 yards per rushing attempts. Sam's last two full seasons they averaged 4.7 and 4.8. Also in Baker's 3 years they averaged 5.0, 5.4 and 5.6 y/ra and last year under Kyler it was 6.6.

It was easy to unload on Landry with his OL and no running game. His career rushing yardage was a -375.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...homa/2009.html

Landry was good. Very good. In fact, I'd agree with you if you said that Landry was painfully underrated. I'm usually at the head of his fan club.

But you can't, in any way, claim that he had a better career than Baker Mayfield. You can't really make an argument about him having a better career than Sam or JW, either. You could make a case against Kyler, but I'm not sure I'd even accept that.


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