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thebigabd 06-24-2019 07:40 AM

Precedent for the turnover?
 
Is there a precedent for this amount of turnover on a roster, and the results the first year after? With Polla gone, this means OU turned over 8 players...
  1. Aaron Calixte
  2. Miles Reynolds
  3. Christian James
  4. Hannes Polla
  5. Matt Freeman
  6. Rashard Odomes
  7. Ty Lazenby
  8. Jamuni McNease

The following players have never played in an OU uniform before:
  1. Austin Reaves
  2. Alondes Williams
  3. Jalen Hill
  4. Anyang Garang
  5. Devion Harmon
  6. Rick Isaanza
  7. Corbin Merritt
  8. Victor Iwukar
  9. *Kur Kuath (played in 6 games)

What is the precedent for this? Is chemistry and all that overrated and the only thing that really matters is there are apparent talent upgrades?

I would think the good news is.... the 3 primary returning players (Manek, Doolittle, and Bienemy) are good foundation players and experienced. Which means you are really only plugging in 2 new starters in, which is likely Reaves and Harmon. Harmon being highly rated and Reaves being a D1 transfer.

So if you think about it from just the starting 5 perspective, its 2 new guys.... The rest of the new guys are backups.

Not so bad when you think about it that way....

sperry 06-24-2019 07:55 AM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Kentucky turns that many over every year. It takes them time to gel, but they are usually clicking by conference season. Obviously we don't have that level of talent, but whatever chemistry issues may exist should be gone by mid year.

perryj74 06-24-2019 09:02 AM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Reaves has been around the program an entire year already as has Kuath. I'd say any worries of chemistry issues due to newness aren't warranted with those two. With Harmon being committed for so long and making so many trips you'd have to think he's pretty well acclimated with the team already as well.

Jccouger 06-24-2019 09:11 AM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
It may actually stop the trend of us starting hot & ending cold.

Now, hopefully we actually show progress throughout the season. It would really suck if we started cold & ended cold lol.

BCSooners 06-24-2019 09:24 AM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
As stated before 5 main contributors will be back. Chemistry I think will be solid, identifying roles and player acceptance will be the big key. It will get sorted out but how long is just a guess. Not only for the new guys but Bienemy’s role is going to to change.

AdaSooner 06-24-2019 09:46 AM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
McNeace, Odomes, James and Freeman were four years guys, so there has also been more than enough stability on our roster to eliminate any concerns about turnover.

SuperHoops 06-24-2019 09:58 AM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BCSooners (Post 633071)
As stated before 5 main contributors will be back. Chemistry I think will be solid, identifying roles and player acceptance will be the big key. It will get sorted out but how long is just a guess. Not only for the new guys but Bienemyís role is going to to change.

Manek, Doo, Bienemy and ??.

BCSooners 06-24-2019 10:07 AM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperHoops (Post 633074)
Manek, Doo, Bienemy and ??.

Reaves & Kur. I meant expected contributors for this coming year, I also am not sure Kur will be but I still listed him. Both were part of the program last year so the coaches know the attitude an abilities both will bring.

thebigabd 06-24-2019 10:14 AM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
PG: Devion Harmon
SG: Jamal Bienemy
SG: Austin Reaves
PF: Kristian Doolittle
PF: Brady Manek

Is there really any doubt at this point that this will be the starting 5?

BCSooners 06-24-2019 10:16 AM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thebigabd (Post 633076)
PG: Devion Harmon
SG: Jamal Bienemy
SG: Austin Reaves
PF: Kristian Doolittle
PF: Brady Manek

Is there really any doubt at this point that this will be the starting 5?

Little doubt from me. The only one I thought would compete for a starting spot would be Williams, but his late start (if he gets here) definitely makes it less likely.

thebigabd 06-24-2019 10:21 AM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BCSooners (Post 633077)
Little doubt from me. The only one I thought would compete for a starting spot would be Williams, but his late start (if he gets here) definitely makes it less likely.

The lineup looks small, but highly skilled... Good 3pt shooters in Reaves, Bienemy, and Manek... Good mid-range games with Doolittle and Harmon. Great passing with Harmon and Bienemy.

The potential issue will be rebounding, rim protection, and defense. I don't think scoring will be a problem unless Harmon isn't ready to compete at this level yet, which is entirely possible for a true freshman. Remember... Bienemy averaged 4ppg last year. True freshman don't always light it up... In fact, they rarely do.

Baylor, West Virginia, Kansas, and Texas will be the only teams in the league with front-courts who could give OU problems... Everyone else is smaller or less skilled than OU's.

BoulderSooner 06-24-2019 11:01 AM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Harmon is also a good shooter

BCSooners 06-24-2019 11:55 AM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thebigabd (Post 633078)
The lineup looks small, but highly skilled... Good 3pt shooters in Reaves, Bienemy, and Manek... Good mid-range games with Doolittle and Harmon. Great passing with Harmon and Bienemy.

The potential issue will be rebounding, rim protection, and defense. I don't think scoring will be a problem unless Harmon isn't ready to compete at this level yet, which is entirely possible for a true freshman. Remember... Bienemy averaged 4ppg last year. True freshman don't always light it up... In fact, they rarely do.

Baylor, West Virginia, Kansas, and Texas will be the only teams in the league with front-courts who could give OU problems... Everyone else is smaller or less skilled than OU's.

Agreed on all points. Guards are going to have to rebound really well & substitution patterns need to be based of who OU plays a bit more than in the past.

Jccouger 06-24-2019 12:03 PM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BCSooners (Post 633077)
Little doubt from me. The only one I thought would compete for a starting spot would be Williams, but his late start (if he gets here) definitely makes it less likely.

I haven't seen the news on Williams, what is this about?

SuperHoops 06-24-2019 12:09 PM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thebigabd (Post 633078)
The lineup looks small, but highly skilled... Good 3pt shooters in Reaves, Bienemy, and Manek... Good mid-range games with Doolittle and Harmon. Great passing with Harmon and Bienemy.

The potential issue will be rebounding, rim protection, and defense. I don't think scoring will be a problem unless Harmon isn't ready to compete at this level yet, which is entirely possible for a true freshman. Remember... Bienemy averaged 4ppg last year. True freshman don't always light it up... In fact, they rarely do.

Baylor, West Virginia, Kansas, and Texas will be the only teams in the league with front-courts who could give OU problems... Everyone else is smaller or less skilled than OU's.

Do you think moving the 3 point line back will affect the 3 point shooting? I believe it won't bother Reaves and Manek but Bienemy may not shoot as many, and he didn't shoot many 3's last year.

AdaSooner 06-24-2019 01:13 PM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jccouger (Post 633089)
I haven't seen the news on Williams, what is this about?

Word is Williams is still waiting to qualify academically and it could be August before we know if he will be cleared to play this fall.

CoachTalk 06-24-2019 01:30 PM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
I think kur could start.

It’s still early.

Harmon could come off the bench. Him and Jamal are battling

sperry 06-24-2019 01:36 PM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachTalk (Post 633098)
I think kur could start.

Itís still early.

Harmon could come off the bench. Him and Jamal are battling


So who out of Manek and Doolittle goes to the bench for Kur? Because that's a clogged up toilet on offense if you try to run all 3 out there together.

perryj74 06-24-2019 01:53 PM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sperry (Post 633100)
So who out of Manek and Doolittle goes to the bench for Kur? Because that's a clogged up toilet on offense if you try to run all 3 out there together.

How does Manek clog things up on the offensive end? They guy spends a great deal of time behind the 3 point line.

CoachTalk 06-24-2019 01:53 PM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sperry (Post 633100)
So who out of Manek and Doolittle goes to the bench for Kur? Because that's a clogged up toilet on offense if you try to run all 3 out there together.

DH or Harmon goes to bench

WichitaSooner 06-24-2019 01:54 PM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sperry (Post 633100)
So who out of Manek and Doolittle goes to the bench for Kur? Because that's a clogged up toilet on offense if you try to run all 3 out there together.

Manek specializes in three-point shooting, almost to a fault, and posts up about once every two weeks. Doo is great at facing up against bigger, slower defenders from 15-18 feet. How on earth would playing those two with Kur clog things up? That would be one guy (Kur) who plays close to the basket offensively.

thebigabd 06-24-2019 02:04 PM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WichitaSooner (Post 633103)
Manek specializes in three-point shooting, almost to a fault, and posts up about once every two weeks. Doo is great at facing up against bigger, slower defenders from 15-18 feet. How on earth would playing those two with Kur clog things up? That would be one guy (Kur) who plays close to the basket offensively.

If Kur developed some strength in his injury year, he could turn out pretty good. He has crazy athletic ability and length, which you just can't coach.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVKEpQPVQAEWIaL.jpg

Eielson 06-24-2019 02:06 PM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Those 8 players you listed leaving could have all the chemistry in the world and still go 2-16 in the Big XII. I'd take James back, and maybe RO. That's it. The rest are not P5-caliber.

lexusooner 06-24-2019 04:44 PM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Maybe a bigger lineup with a rim protector/rebounder

Harmon - Reaves - Manek - Doo -Kur
Bieniemy 6th man

This lineup would hopefully prevent us from getting murdered on the boards

CoachTalk 06-24-2019 04:58 PM

Re: Precedent for the turnover?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lexusooner (Post 633112)
Maybe a bigger lineup with a rim protector/rebounder

Harmon - Reaves - Manek - Doo -Kur
Bieniemy 6th man

This lineup would hopefully prevent us from getting murdered on the boards

Itís going to be a fun fun battle for several spots.


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